TradeOrderFlow.com and TradeTheEminis.com
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Verified Trades
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User Experience
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Summary
No verified trades. No trading DOM present. Published track record of fantastic returns could not be verified and borders on the outrageous. Trading room moderator became extremely agitated, and hyper aggressive when confronted and asked for proof of real trading. Moderator claims to be a full time professional trader and hedge fund manager, however was able to confirm is actually the driver of an ice cream truck.
User Review
( votes)Thanks for reading today’s review of TradeOrderFlow.Com and TradeTheEminis.Com
What is TradeOrderFlow.com and TradeTheEminis.com? Both websites are owned operated by the same owner, Maria Roussos, from Long Island, New York. The trading room comes at a cost of $3,500 for six months, or a one year membership at a cost $4,500.
This trading room came onto my radar this past May. Several different readers had sent me private requests to review the trading room. In the notes section of the intake request from, I was warned that the moderator was not actually trading, and was simply talking about trading. Of course, moderators that talk about trading and do not actually trade, is nothing new for me. In fact, I find that most trading rooms are just extended infomercials for the moderator to pitch their wares. Regardless, I went into this review with a clear perspective and an open mind.
My initial observation of the websites were that both were very amateur and they appear to be roughly strewn together with a generic website builder. Their did not appear to be much investment in appearance or usability. However, what caught my attention was that the owner of this business claimed that she earned $58,043 since the beginning of the 2015, with her personal trading account. Naturally, this really interested me because her bold claim of these profits would be very easy to verify and document. And I certainly expected transparency.
Contacting Maria Roussos
My initial contact with Maria was to request a trial to her trading room. I did not mention that I would be recording the trading session, nor did I mention that I write thorough reviews for my trading blog, TradingSchools.Org. I simply acted like a customer, that was very interested in what she was selling. She mentioned that she was a “Certified Educational Provider” for Ninja Trader. She also claimed that she was a hedge fund manager with many years of earning a full time trading through her trading. She explained that with her help, and with her special indicators, that I also would soon be a professional trader and be earning a living at day trading.
After speaking with Maria Roussos for several days via email, and collecting this information, I began to do a little research in an attempt to discover more about her. Specifically, I wanted to know about her history as a hedge fund manager.
After a few days of research, I was able to discover that for the better part of 20 years, she has been primarily employed as a floral designer. You can find her local business page on Facebook here.
In addition to her job as a floral designer, she also drives an ice cream truck. You can read about the ice cream truck business though the previous link. Its actually a pretty
interesting story. Personally, I love ice cream trucks. As a kid, I remember the blaring sound of the truck as it quickly moved through the neighborhood. I would scrape together whatever spare change I could quickly find, and then jump on my bike and head towards the sound.
Ok, sure. So Maria Roussos is not actually a hedge fund manager as she claims. She designs flower arrangements for weddings and drives an ice cream truck around Long Island. Is that so bad? Personally, I enjoyed reading about her entrepreneurial exploits. Especially the ice cream truck. If I were her, I would drop the hedge fund nonsense and talk about the other pursuits. But apparently she feels that being a hedge fund manager gives her “Street Cred”.
The Trading Room Experience
My original visit to the trading room in earlier in May. Using an anonymous name, email address, and IP address, I requested a free trial. Normally, I spend several days recording the trading sessions. However, it became painfully obvious, and quite quickly that Maria was not actually trading. No DOM present on screen, no trading from the charts. Her approach to the trading room appears to be simply conversations about trading and where she should, could, or would get into a trading position. However, I have to give her credit, her years of providing customer service as a flower lady and an ice cream truck lady has afforded excellent conversational skills. She can talk. And she certainly understands the job of a trading room moderator is a lot about providing entertaining conversation. For this aspect, I have to give her a lot of credit.
The Track Record
After several days of attending the room, I requested that she provide proof of her fantastic trading results. She seems to have a series of well rehearsed and canned excuses on why she could not or would not reveal personal trading performance. She knew that I was not going to convert into a $4,500 customer because of my line of questions and then she simply stopped answering my emails. The gig was up.
Initially, I was not even going to write this review and just let her carry on with the performance charade. I mean really, she gets nearly zero web traffic. And her only source of web traffic comes from being listed as Ninja Trader Educator. Who wants to read about a lady operating a petty hustle from the back of an ice cream truck? But then I got a few more requests, one in particular got my attention and I decided to just go ahead and write the review.
Getting Closer To The Truth
One of things I like to do when writing a review is to lay a little trap. I will first go into the trading room and record, and collect all of the evidence that I need. Then after collecting all that I need, I will come back to the trading room and request a review…but this time using my real identity. The second time around, I explain that I will be writing a review based upon what I see inside of the trading room. The legit vendors always invite me inside and are happy that I am willing to review because they want the publicity. They usually will only request that they get a final edit, or address any negative issues before I publish. Which is fair. However, the vendors that realize that TradingSchools.Org is knocking on the door, they will barricade the door as quickly as possible. There is nothing worse for them than to get the scam exposed. But what they dont already know is that I have already collected the video and evidence.
After I revealed myself to Maria and requested admittance into her trading room, she turned immediately hostile. She threatened to call the police and report me for cyber bullying. She fired off a staccato of rapid fire emails threatening me from every direction. She wanted nothing to do with my review and threatened that if I published anything that she would report me to the US Attorney General and the California Attorney General, and whomever she could think of. As I read through this pathetic string of emails, I thought to myself…this lady is just to small to even bother with. Nobody even knows about her. I should just leave her alone and let her pull her little hustle to the occasional fool that wanders into the scam. But she just wouldn’t stop.
Her next, and final spasm was to have all of her customers start emailing me. Many talked about how Maria was their personal financial lord and savior. Some were angry and wrote nasty messages and threatened to beat me up. Stupid, juvenile threats.
When Financial Jesus Refuses To Walk On Water
I am not at all upset that her customers sent me a batch of nasty messages. I usually respond that I am simply trying to verify her claims of being a hedge fund manager and verify her claims of making $10k each month with nary a losing trade. Its nothing personal towards her, I just want to see proof.
One of the weird dynamics of trading gurus is when the students of the guru are faced with the reality that the guru might actually be a fake. The most typical response is complete denial at the evidence. I mean really, all Maria has to do is show her customers her trading records. But they refuse to press her, because in their hearts they know the truth, which is so plainly obvious to the outside observer. They next will typically respond angrily and lash out at the accuser, for they must protect the Guru, and all that the Guru represents.
Why protect the Guru? Because when a person spends thousands of dollars with a trading educator, and the emotional investment, and the time investment, what he has done is build a world in which he shortly expects to one day live in. Maria is selling the dream of day trading, and easily earning $10k each month with nary a loss. Her customers have bought the dream and all that represents. However, when someone like myself comes along and questions the foundation in which this dream is built upon, then the reaction is denial and anger.
Well that’s it for today. Another crappy trading product. Don’t forget to leave a comment below. Even the haters will find that their voices are heard and admired.
Speaking of POS scam artists…I think Emmett takes the cake. Nice Job Emmett on this rave review of just how trustworthy and honest your endorsements are…who’d listen to a fraudulent con artist such as yourself…just idiots who can’t think for themselves.
http://tradingschools.info/2015/08/05/a-review-of-emmett-moore/
Major Moron is one of the vendor (probably Ace Trade Review) who got an honest and bad review from Emmett. He’s back trying to discredit this blog which can only mean that Emmett’s investigations and record of the numerous scams are hurting these scammers. That’s the reason they set up the site Major Moron refers to, it’s a clumsy attempt to discredit him. You can read all about Emmett’s past on his own blog under the “Warning” tab.
All Emmett is asking for from these vendors is to provide him 1month of verified, real trades and none of them can even demonstrate that minimal amount of success. It would be the easiest thing is the world for a vendor to discredit Emmett, simple provide your verified trading statements that support your claims. To date only 3 or 4 have been able to do this. The rest are fraudulent scammers.
I’ve been in Maria’s room for many months. She is the best trader I’ve ever seen, and I’ve been in many rooms. Every day is positive. ..she does have losing trades, but not many. She calls out entries and targets beforehand. So what she doesn’t show a dom? Listen to the calls and hear that she is right on…
Spent a morning in Maria’s room. All she did was cough into the microphone constantly and bash my style of trading. She asked if I wanted to join and I said I couldn’t judge based on just a few hours. She said if I gave her $100 that I could have a trial 3 days. I’m almost positive that there is no real trading going on and she’s just making up numbers….go back to slinging frozen treats lady!
I am a member of her room and bought the membership when it was cheap. I don’t go there anymore as I have developed my own trading system.
I have no negative criticism for her.
I assume she trades live but cannot prove that. whether live or sim it didn’t seem to matter. Her calls were excellent and I had not 1 losing day when I followed her.
In fact I profited a significant amount using her calls. When I was in her room she would speak of her losses and provits which seemed to match my charts. She traded only 1 and 2 contracts. I doubt she is as you say. She is from the Northeast and is somewhat brusk. But so am I.
Nice to read that you gotten some value from what she is teaching.
She sell ice cream in the summer and trades in the winter
that’s what all fund managers do.
I wonder if the trading room setup is in a back area of the ice cream truck like the fast food place mentioned in another review, haha. The orderflow fad is still in high demand on bmt. As there seems to be thousands of newb prospective retail traders every month no doubt some or scammed early by WT, and hopefully a few make their way to the reviews and comments before that, there’s still seems to be a significant interest in orderflow methods and tools. The deteriorating economies of the world is driving many former middle-class in droves to the wild west retail trading sham world.
Did she speak a second language to her accomplice too? lol
Maybe she doesn’t use a DOM.. maybe she’s a chart trader.
Does she show her charts? did you see the fills?
Funny review.. good to see the ladies getting some too 😛
she used the chart trader when I was in the room and I saw her fills whether live or Sim they were good
Thanks for the comment!
I have been in the E-mini Trading room over 6 months and have the highest regard for Maria and her integrity. This review totally misses the mark.
Fredeich
Hi Fred,
Thanks for commenting. I appreciate the feedback. My only issue with Maria is transparency. She should simply begin showing a trading DOM on the screen, this way the customer has the ability to verify her trades. If she can do this…I would be more than willing to write a new review. This should not be such a big deal.
Emmett
You are the man Emmett. I was thinking about purchasing her Order Flow software (very expensive), because I want to learn order flow. But she did not sound convincing, I contacted her and when asked about performance proof she was just short and kind of tough.
Can you check this room http://www.easyeminitrade.com/ , it is owned by Trisha Ogilvie, she uses Maria Roussos software. I believe she is for real and honest, she charges very little for the room.
Later Emmett.
Rodolfo
Rep of Panama
Its not Maria’s software. Most of these trading rooms are using third party software. I believe Maria is using integrity-traders.com software. But really, many others are offering the same software, so its not such a big deal.
The key…can someone take the software and make a verifiable profit? This is always the issue.
BTW, I would be more than willing to re-review Maria’s trading room, but she needs transparency in performance. She is definitely not trading trading a live trading account and is simply providing commentary. Which to this I would say, OK. But you still need to prove to the audience that the trades are happening on a simulator. Not such a big deal.
Wow thats a rough review!..I’ve been in Maria’s room for about two months. I’ve never heard her claim to be a hedge fund manager. She has said she knows hedge fund managers. I’ve been a trader since 2008, started with Oliver Velez at VCM, which became Team traders which became Ifundtraders so I know a thing or two about Gurus. I eventually left because I saw there was no way I would get licensed there. I went to World Trade Securities(iFundtraders parent company) on my own & got my series 56 license. The fees were ok but the rules about you cant take off for more than 30 days & needing all your social media usernames & passwords, need permission to attend chat rooms, statements from my futures & forex account every month were just ridiculous so I resigned & traded futures & forex only. I was making enough to pay my bills. I then heard about order flow & market profile. I went to a few sites but nobody could explain how it worked. They made it very complicated. I found Maria on Big Mikes forum, she emailed me an invite & I attended her room & now I refuse to leave. She explained everything!..I have my own software & never once did maria try to force me to purchase her software but when my lease is up I’m definitely purchasing her package. Now as far as moderating she cant be beat, she calls her entries & as soon as they’re hit she calls out targets, calls out when she kills a trade & keeps a running total as the day goes along. When the market is slow she constantly asks”does anyone have questions?” then she will proceed to call out people individually to make sure traders understand that there is’nt a stupid question in her room. She is accessible by her home phone,cell,email & skype.
That doesnt sound like someone with anything to hide. I’ve made more money from the teachings Maria has provided since I started trading & will forever be grateful I met her.
Thanks for the comments!
LOL idiots. What do you need software for? You guys are hilarious.
I’ve known Maria Roussos for almost three years and your perception of her and her room couldn’t be more inaccurate. She is the real deal, she trades her live account every day and makes more money then I’ve ever seen another trader make. She is totally honest and transparent and has NEVER said that she ran a hedge fund! Yes, she has an ice truck, but it’s not for the money, it’s for the fun of it. Wouldn’t you like to make your living trading and then hang out at the beach for a few hours making kids happy? She cares for every single member of her room and wants them to be successful, and spends hours making sure that happens. You were in her room for a few hours, (under false pretenses I may add) I think knowing her for as long as I have counts for much more. You should stop spreading complete lies about her, especially when they’re totally wrong!
you are Maria lover Francine – who would believe you.
lol you’re full of sh*t
To be taken seriously, please provide audited financial records of your trading success with Maria.
Thanks
what a crock from a shill. maintaining an ice cream truck for the kids while still charging. wonder if that’s you with the sunglasses behind the truck counter with Maria
After reading this review I think that launching my trading education empire from the back of “Stray Dog’s Mobile Dog Wash and Grooming” truck is looking like a real possibility.