The Trading Fraternity
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Summary
The Trading Fraternity is a live day trading room, educational course, and mentorship program offered by a person named ‘Josh Answers’, a fake name. An absolute shit-show of fraud and outright misrepresentation.
The marketing pitch is pure pornography. Images of Mercedes, Ferrari’s, Bentley’s, Maserati’s, and even a Rolls Royce. ‘Josh Answers’ claims to be the world’s most successful day trader that has earned millions of dollars day trading. Claims to own multiple mansions around San Diego, Ca. Loves to take pictures of himself eating lobster. Completely ridiculous, overhyped marketing that is tailor made to the newbie day trader, ages 17 to 26.
The end result for victims are maxed out credit cards, financial destruction, failure, and feelings of abuse bordering on molestation.
A top level con artist. Avoid.
Thanks for reading today’s review of The Trading Fraternity
What is The Trading Fraternity? The Trading Fraternity is a stocks and options day trading school. The person that owns the company will not reveal his real name, he prefers to only be known as ‘Josh Answers’. The Trading Fraternity occupies the following web addresses: Site A, Site B.
The Trading Fraternity is selling an online educational course, live day trading room, and day trading mentorship program that will supposedly help you turn “only a few hundred dollars into millions of dollars.” But in order to learn the secrets of The Trading Fraternity, you must first purchase the Citizen Package, which has a beginning price of $29.99 per month. Mentorship programs range in the upwards of thousands of dollars per individual.
Normally, when I see a $29.99 introductory day-trading product, I just move onto the next review. Whom would actually be stupid enough to spend $29.99 for a stock trading newsletter, a day trading room, and a few videos claiming to teach the secrets of becoming an online, stock trading millionaire? Well, you would be surprised at how many people have been suckered into the web of this very clever online con artist.
Before we go any further, let us go over the marketing efforts of The Trading Fraternity. It is quite interesting and highly amusing.
The online presence of The Trading Fraternity
A review of Archive.org reveals that The Trading Fraternity first appeared on the day trading educational scene sometime during the summer of 2014. Since 2014, the Trading Fraternity has had an exploding social media presence which includes the following social media profiles:
- You Tube: Which includes dozens of videos of supposedly ‘real trades’ earning hundreds of thousands of dollars in ‘real’ profits. Amazingly, the YouTube channel has over 8,800 subscribers and a incredible 1,589,000+ views of the videos. The videos are usually a combination of either a Mercedes, Ferrari, Bentley, Maserati or a Rolls Royce. The driver is usually driving around San Diego, Ca and spends his time talking about the millions of dollars that he has earned day trading.
- Facebook: Included are pictures of multiple mansions around San Diego, Ca and surrounding areas. In multiple posts, ‘Josh Answers’ claims to own these mansions, all through his amazing ability to day trade stocks and options.
- Twitter: An incredible 27.5k followers and 10.5k tweets. Each tweet is basically a personal promotion of either a luxury car, a video of stacks of $100 bills, exotic houses, and thousands of supposedly ‘real’ trades that earned millions of dollars.
- Instagram: Nearly 400 posts claiming that ‘Josh Answers’ is a self-made millionaire with multiple million dollar properties, and the owner of a Mercedes, Ferrari, Bentley, Maserati, and a Rolls Royce. Pics of exotic locations, people dancing and partying, the typical trader pornography that we see from so many, so called day trading educators.
The following are a few of the images that are expertly marketed and produced. However, please notice that ‘Josh Answers’ never shows his face. Nor will you find any identifying registration information for any of the exotic automobiles. He was smart to remove this, TradingSchools.org recently busted Mook Trader for placing a fake license plate on a $125k Porsche and proclaiming he paid for the car with day trading profits. It turned out that the license plate was a fake plate.
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In addition to the ‘trader porn’ visual images, ‘Josh Answers’ is also an excellent video marketer. Example below:
In my opinion, what is so amazing is that ‘Josh Answers’ has been so darn clever as removing any and all identifying information that reveals his personal identity. We know that he is galavanting around San Diego, making videos with fancy rental cars. But tracking down his exact physical address has been a real challenge.
Hopefully, someone within the trading community or social media can unwrap the mystery of this creative con man.
How this con artist is targeting the victim
TradingSchools.org began receiving a steady request for reviews beginning in early 2016. Over the course of 2016, TradingSchools.org was able to interview several individuals that had terrible experiences with ‘Josh Answers’ and The Trading Fraternity. Their stories are remarkably similar.
In speaking with victims, it appears that each person was drawn into the scam by searching You Tube for videos regarding day trading or money making opportunities. Each victim’s age varied from 17 to 26. And each had absolutely no prior experience at investing, day trading stocks, or trading options. The social media profiles, the videos of expensive sports cars and stacks of hundred dollar bills, the pictures of expensive food, exotic locations, screen shots of ‘real trading accounts’ all acted as visual pornography to entice the potential victim closer to the con man.
The initial purchase price of $29.99 serves only as bait. It’s a cheap price for a day trading room. And it acts as an entry to obtain a small initial fee and provide an audience for which the con artist can now ‘groom’ the victim.
Once inside of the live day trading room, each victim describes an environment where everyone seemed to be making massive amounts of easy money via day trading stocks. ‘Josh Answers’ serves as the ultimate performer, proclaiming million dollar profits and how he started with only a few hundred dollars and turned it into millions of dollars in profits. Everyone seems to be making money, and each victim described how they were warmly welcomed by the group. The sense of community gave a feeling of safety, security, and friendship. This served as a platform in which ‘Josh Answers’ proceeds to ‘groom’ the target. Similar to the way a pervert priest will slowly build trust with an innocent and naive child. Eventually, he slips his filthy finger into the buttock of the victim. Not surprisingly, most victims of this type of abuse willingly submit themselves to the abuse. Only to later realize that they were slowly manipulated into willful participation.
‘Josh Answers’ lures the victim closer. Providing a tempting and tantalizing narrative, that if they learn his day trading secrets, they will be “in the good blessings of Jesus” and all of their financial troubles will be a thing of the past. That they might not be worthy of his secrets. Not worthy of their impending wealth. The narrative is the classic primrose path scenario where the victim follows the con into the trap. They entrap themselves.
The final destination of the con is the so-called mentorship program. And it’s an “exclusive fraternity” of supposed Ferarri drivers and compulsive eaters of fresh lobster. TradingSchools.org used multiple aliasas, and it was not much of a surprise that each alias was accepted into the private mentoring program with ‘Josh Answers’. But here is where the fun part begins, it seems that the price of the private mentoring program is predicated upon the available credit limit that is remaining on the victims’ credit card. In other words, ‘Josh Answers’ ultimate goal is to max out the credit card of the victim. Constantly feeding the victim a steady stream of hope, in exchange ‘Josh Answers’ goal is to draw the victim further and further along the primrose path, until the inevitable. When the credit card runs out of available purchasing power, and then the victim is dropped like an aging porn star.
What about trading capital? This is of secondary concern for ‘Josh Answers’. He soothingly tells his victims that once they immolate and immerse themselves in his ‘trading secrets’ that profits will surely flow to them like the blessing’s of Jesus to his beloved flock. But first, they must use a simulator and prove to themselves that they have properly learned the ‘trading secrets’.
The end game
It appears that the average failure time is 3-4 months. Each victim, after becoming a mentoring student, and spending thousands of dollars in ‘education’ will typically go broke at around 3-4 months. The entire time they attempted to learn and replicate the trading performance of ‘Josh Answers’. But never experiencing his supposed million dollar trading performance. Many became suspicious as to whether ‘Josh Answers’ was ever actually trading. And whether the individuals inside of the trading room, all proclaiming the trading greatness of ‘Josh Answers’ where even real people. Or just paid shills to create the appearance of daily trading success.
Wrapping things up
‘Josh Answers’ is a clever con artist. An A+, top level marketer. He appears to have taken Cameron Fous, Bulls On Wall Street, Anton Kreil, and Timothy Sykes to the next level. Gonzo trader-porn visual marketing on steroids. Heck, Tim Sykes has only one orange Lamborghini, Cameron Fous has only one Maserati, Kunal Desai has only one Porsche, Anton Kreil has only one Ferrari. But the truly amazing ‘Josh Answers’ has a Mercedes, Ferrari, Bentley, Maserati, Rolls Royce, and several mansions! Therefore, his ‘day trading secrets’ must be better than all of them combined.
What will these day trading con artists think of next? A personal rocket ship, a fleet of private jets, a harem of bikini models, a navy of yachts? When does it end? How crazy does this business need to become before people begin to wake up and smell the obvious fraud?
Thanks for reading. And don’t forget to leave a comment below. And try and not be too hard on the newbie victims that got suckered into the scam. I am pretty sure that everyone that reads this blog, at one time or another, has also been suckered by a so-called day trading educator.
Jonathan Massieh / Josh Answers made his money selling mentorship courses by using his rich friend and mentor Bikram Choudhury exotic cars to lure people into thinking he lived a lavish lifestyle and owned exotic cars by trading options. Jonathan Massieh was the typical option guru where he trades risk free off sub money from his course while gloating the option winners but never show the losers. The fact is he was a losing trader , anyone who followed him was as well. Mentorship and subscription money made him come out on top unlike his subs/followers. Its similiar to what SmarterTrader and other option services do, lose money from trading, make money off subs/rooms/mentoring. When Emmett and guruleaks exposed Massieh and Choudhury fled the country and exotic cars got seized, Massieh went MIA as well. He deleted all his old posts on instagram and abandoned his twitter to avoid guruleaks until he created a new account. Now he uses YouTube as his cash cow to fund his risk free trading while showing his big winners in videos but when you look at his stream he has massive losers that wipes out the gains. He is a liar and doesn’t know what he is doing and its immoral he continues to be allowed to do this. Massieh makes Meet Kevin and FInancial education jeremy look like geniuses which says it all. Just him not showing a brokerage statement or proven track record should be major red flag.
Went to college with him at Arizona. He was a wannabe rapper that went by The Massieh. Last time i had seen him he had dropped out college and was dating a former pornstar. Don’t think it was a same chick you mentioned here but the guy is known for being a cuck so not surprised
Well done. Yes if you say his real name in the chat the mods or him gay lovers will ban you even if you superchat and send him money. It is born 1/28/1993 he is not even 30 years old yet. HAAA People listening to philosophy demon whose father came to America and changed his last name to Masseih like they are the Jacob Franks of the cult. False prophet and will give you bad advice do not ever listen to him and when any decides to hire a lawyer for class action post the details here. His name is jonathan-massieh if you do a business search in california of the Trading Fraternity LLC his name jonathan-massieh is the CEO dahhh Secrartary Of State California. He hides himself with his big nose and his brother is Josh and his father is false prophet with a Muslim Christian Church another way his cult can infiltrate America to rob them with grand larceny by acting like he is working for God. They are worse than the robocallers press 1 and send all your money to me cause I am with God calls.
lil jonathan massiah is a fraud, conman, and overall bad human being. if it wasn’t for youtube paying him he would be back to finding a bunch of suckers to waste their time for 3 month using them and taking their money all while having them sign a contract where he can sue you for anything he feels like suing you for. His ex who he supported for years left him for a his best friend says it all about this guy lol
So juicy. Please tell me more.
i won’t deny that he has talent and makes money, but he’s not truthful or honest about who he is, preferring to hide in the shadows. do you really want johnnie massieh as your financial advisor/educator money when he won’t reveal that’s he’s josh massieh’s little brother? (it really isnt all that difficult to figure out when he reveals his lifestyle details–like going to school in arizona, living in san diego, and his dad’s a preacher. only the clueless who can’t perform a google search don’t know who he is.) and he seems to be a bit of a sadist abusing both his loyal followers and any who disagree with him. if you enjoy a religious sermon that serves to isolate and manipulate people of faith as well as rambling political discussions where you have to be positive and respectful–which means you can’t really say what you feel politically one way or the other, while he engages in a one sided discussion and seems to say praise the lord and amen after each trade, as well as openly peeing on everyone at the end–and all of this happens while he’s supposed to be watching stocks and options for you and announcing plays, then give him your money by tuning into his you tube channel. frankly i’d rather find another means of entertaining myself; and not making this immature brat child any richer. you have to love someone that resorts to ghetto talk to get his point across when he knows how to speak professionally. his channel is like sitting in a hell fire and brimstone sunday school while trading stocks and options. it’s great if you enjoy brainwashing and non-thinking personalities. don’t try to ask any real questions about trading because youll typically get a tim sykes like snide answer.
do you trust a guy that blurs all the license plates on his (probably leased) expensive cars in his videos and says you shouldn’t be concerned about material possessions while flaunting his supposed wealth around you tube? even if it’s real, he’s the ultimate hypocrite. good luck. this cat is far too arrogant for me. i think he gives good financially sound advice and has winning trades, but it’s definitely not worth putting up with his juvenile antics and immaturity. he won’t tell you why his ex-girlfriend left him but i have a pretty good idea. amen.
oh and today i had to listen to him ramble for one hour about how child abuse in arab families was a given and how it was good discipline for kids. this guy is such a sadist that he would actually advocate abusing children–and he does all this while trading stocks. how sick is that? clearly, this man baby and his mindless followers who were actually backing his child abuse is good discipline claim is one to avoid.
he’ll also censor at lightspeed any comments that he doesn’t agree with because he’s not big enough to handle the truth. another saddam hussein in the making. caveat emptor. in the interim, i highly recommend not drinking the kool-aid. he’s probably too young to understand the reference.
Dude you have it all worng. He has helped me in so many ways. When I found his channel my life was a litteral mess. Relationships were in shitter. in so much debt and he has helped with so much more than just money. I now have no debt and more money than I could have imagined a year ago. I now get along with my family. Im positive and respectful. I love life now. You should seriously come check out the trading fraternity you will love it bro. For real. God bless. If you want to see a real peice you should check out my channel. I made a video called philomonial on youtube.
i respect your decision to do what’s right for your life, including joining a cult if that’s really what you want to do, but this guy isn’t the answer. when the little lying sociopath treats you like he just treated one of his loyal followers mufasa and throws you out because you said something he didn’t like or he was having a bad day, how is your life going to be different… make no mistake this guy will eventually abuse you and throw you away because that’s how evil he and his family are. you can get your salvation in private with whatever god you believe in. you don’t need a manipulative, diseased kid to take advantage of your desperation. he should stick to stock market and options trading and be less about saving and proselytizing his jaded ‘come to jesus” message. i don’t like to feel like i’m in church when i’m trading stocks. if this guy is the new prophet, why is his LLC suspended by the ftb–check trading fraternity llc at the secretary of state in california. maybe god told him not to pay his taxes to the franchise tax board. by the way, his daddy wants to convert all muslims to christianity–which is very insulting to a lot of people. we wish his daddy the best of luck. maybe they can go back to egypt and spread that message to the muslim communities. i’m sure they’ll respond in a positive and respectful way.
Haters gonna hate.
Actually, my review was of the garden variety critique. If you have spent any amount of time reading my reviews, then you should be able to discern that EVERYONE gets a tough review. Even the positive reviews contain every negative comment imaginable.
My reviews go straight for the kill. And I want everyone to know that every single review is a kill shot.
The Trading Fraternity got the same treatment as everyone else. And you know what? If you ask the bozo running The Trading Fraternity…he probably appreciated the public thrashing as it forced him into making some positive changes. And he has changed for the better, so he deserves credit for that.
But if he fucks up, and goes back to the shady marketing…I will be waiting. He knows that.
Think of the positives. Sometimes “haters gonna hate” because they have a legitimate gripe.
Thanks for your comment.
not being hateful at all. i think the guy does have a good strategy for options, but actually throws away all of his integrity by lying about and flaunting his fictitious personal wealth. i just wish the guy would stop fibbing all the time. listening to him is kind of like listening to scammy jim baker of the old ptl club while stock investing. a guy trying to convince you of his angel like, glorious existence while he’s living off the donations of others. he often boasts about all the real estate he owns, yet a simple search of property records brings up only properties that his family owns. there is absolutely nothing in his name in california. (yes, the real estate empire could be under a trust or company name, but keep in mind that his llc was suspended by the ftb–probably when he failed to pay the $800 min annual tax.) he rents an expensive apartment in san diego. end of story. he isn’t the millionaire that he wants you to believe he is. far from it in fact. a few days back he claimed he travelled with a bodyguard. i couldn’t stop laughing. if you want to buy this guy’s lies and deceit, then god bless you. i wish you the best of luck.
Jim and Tammy Fay Baker…praise be to Jesus! Oh man, you bring back some memories.
“Josh Answers”…does he own a “real estate empire?” Yeah right. I know his brother is a real estate broker and does mortgages, and his dad probably owns a piece of real estate in Poway. But for himself? Probably not.
At the end of the day, it’s about verifiable performance and not hypothetical performance. The fancy cars are just a red herring to divert our attention away from the obvious…no verifiable track record of wins and losses.
Same old song and dance.
You sound like a jealous little shit head. Just being honest. Imagine being you, writing out this essay to “express” how bad his course is. Which, by the way, is 5$ now. Also, um.. he doesn’t owe you a fucking income report, tax proof, car titles, etc. there is a video of the guy literally making 350k on some options in one day. Is it lucky? NO. If you fucking had any intelligence, you could see what happened. Same with the play on TNT? It’s not luck! The feds cut 20yr bond yields and TNT skyrocketed because of it. It’s public information. He got in at a good time, and made 40k in a day when it spiked. ANET? clear pattern of rallying pre earnings and dropping after. Does it take a genius to see that for yourself? I guess. Maybe you’re just not cut out for the stocks, bud. Deal with it.
Uhhh, lol. This is a absolutely absurd review. You should re review this for the current time. Josh teaches financial security and long term holding. He does play options but he preaches about controlling the budget. You may have misjudged him when he was first getting the channel going, but it’s a amazing resource now.
Josh is an absolute moron. A real shit bird. The best part is he lives down the street from me.
How is living down the street from you have anything to do with being a real shit bird?
You guys are so confused, linking to Jonathan Massieh which is not even Josh Answers 😆
Anything you dedicate yourself two for only 3-4 months will surely lead to failure. The trading fraternity does not claim to make you a millionaire as he does not ask you to trade anything. He states paper trade so you will learn. Most choose to paper trade with their real accounts. I hope one day people will learn to follow as great as they want to lead. If you can show me any company or profession that can turn you into a professional in 3-4 months please contact me immediately!!! As I would love to share that with others as soon as possible. So that we may all bask in glory of success.
It’s funny, because this is a very assumptive review based on perhaps a single experience. I’m new to watching Josh’s live stream (2 weeks approximately) and he constantly tells people to stop being stupid with stocks and play it smart. He constantly talks about how it’s not a get-rich-quick thing, and that everyone needs a long term portfolio. But then again, perhaps the writer of this article needs to be reminded of the quote: “How little do they see what really is, who frame their hasty judgement upon that which seems.”
I have been watching his live stream daily for months, and I think this is an unfair review. He chooses to use a fictitious name and stay anonymous, but that is his choice and completely understandable. There are crazy ass people out there that will slit your throat in a heartbeat if they could get away with it and benefit in some way. I use a fictitious name myself, so how can I judge. I do this for self protection and I have conned no one. He makes it very clear how risky option trading can be and strongly encourages paper trading until your good at it. He mainly teaches sound management of personal finances, such as developing a long term portfolio of quality stocks, and sticking to a strict and consistent budget. He will often go off on other subjects such as real estate and philosophic Jesus talk, but is generally is educational and entertaining at the same time. He has changed the way I think about some deep issues. By complete freak accident I have figured out who he is by some info I stumbled upon, and because I have read some books of an author that he is related to. But, out of respect to his right to privacy I will not give his name. I don’t know if he has scammed in the past, but I am not seeing any con game with his You-tube channel. He is quite hyper and can be moody, but he can also be hysterically funny. At the end of the day he has not made me a millionaire, but then again he never promised me he would. I’m not entitled to that, if that is what I want it’s my responsibility to make that happen, not his. But, what I can say is that I make much better financial decisions. I now have a long term portfolio with dividends and drips. I bought my first house, and I win in the stock market more than I loose. In a time of Covid-19 where almost everyone is in a panic, I am financially secure for the first time in my life. I grew up with nothing, and started my Robinhood account with $500. That account hit $45,000 this week. So when your done passing your judgement on him you can kiss my ass.
The dude lives 5-minutes from me. I could post his name in 30-seconds.
Oh wow! Looks like jonathan is a BIG HIT on youtube these days and the little sheep come out to defend this DICK all because he provides a “free” youtube stream. I think you may need to do a 2020 rupdate Emmett & refresh people how he scammed hundreds of people with paid mentorship bullshit charging each one thousands of dollars per person and did it for years along with other the other shady shit!!!!! People need to know the truth about this guy
Yes… Emmett you seem to know the guy, know what he looks like. please shed some light…I doubt it.
Sure, I know exactly what he looks like. And, I assume, he still lives at the trailer park.
Lmao. Hilarious
Then do it…
this article could not be farther from the truth. Josh streams everyday his trading you can litterly watch him make plays and learn how he picks what he picks all for free. ive personally seen him make a ton of money, and Ilearned so much all FOR FREE. he in my opinion is the complete opposite of a fraud. his main source of income is realestate also not trading so…
I’m not sure how you consider him to be a fraud. What is he taking from people? The guy simply gives tips on how to read the market and how to make big-win predictions with about a 20% probability. If anyone lost money by following his advice, it’s because they only followed SOME of it. A 20% probability trade is gonna lose 4 out of 5 times, so if you just pick and choose which ones you like, you could literally lose on 100% of your picks.
There’s no scam, he’s just sharing his interpretation of what’s happening in the market. Sometimes he’s wrong, because everybody is wrong. But he’s not just INVENTING an understanding of the market. He’s not just fabricating things to base his moves on and selling them to people. He sits and breaks down what is happening, and then explains why he thinks that will cause movement in different areas.
The idiots you guys interviewed about this, according to your own post, are people who know nothing about the market. Because the ones who know nothing about the market are going to trade like idiots and lose money. There are lots of people who watch him (as indicated by the chat on his livestream) that have a working understanding of the market, and often immediately share rumors in the news to the chat, and Josh will pull the trigger and execute a play, sharing what he did, then sharing how it worked out, all the while sharing the disclaimer that it’s for educational purposes only, and that we’ll lose money if we make the same trades as him.
Where is the con? You mad that he makes money? You mad that he gives lessons away for free every day instead of trying to fleece them out of $500/month subscriptions for the same quality information?
Can someone explain to me how nearly a thousand people watch the trading fraternity/ stock market live youtube channel ? This hack lose money everyday he trades live on youtube. His trading consist of buying a bunch of option positions hoping something hits while making bank off youtube ad revenue, morons donating to him, and selling his garbage courses and services.
He makes no money from trading otherwise he would have no problem showing a verified Profit/Loss for week, month, year. Instead, he is at a loss or at most breakeven whenever he shows is account. Don’t be fooled.
After going through this trading school post and older comments, he ditched his mentorship bullshit and is focused now selling his courses and services and getting that ad revenue from youtube and donations. Ad revenue from youtube pays very well for finance channels which is why he does it, don’t be fooled into thinking he gives a shit about helping people. Doesn’t show his face and tries to hide his identiy says it all –
Jonathan Massieh the trading fraternity stock market live from california
Hes made thousands on big plays, He gives philosophy that is super beneficial. I guess you are just too stubborn or arrogant to listen to other people.
Again where the P/L for 2019? Anyone can make big plays if your playing far out of the money options and one hits, but at the end of the day its about how much you NET. He’s a fraud like all other gurus , except he don’t show his face and tries to hide his name. He makes money off people like you while making nothing off trading. Why not make a video posting his P/L for the last several years? Why not make a video of his million dollar stock portfolio he claims he has? If he had any of this, he would post to get more views to get more people to follow him. This is the same guy who posted on his social media for years claiming he owned expensive cars when they were owned by yoga Bikram Choudhury (google him). Every comment on this site last several years says it all about the type of guy “Josh Answers” is
All I can say is be grateful you didn’t pay thousands of dollars like some people did on here to get “mentored”and “learn” to trade from this POS. karma. I guess you are just too stubborn or arrogant to listen to other people like Emmett, Guruleaks, and the many others who have exposed this fraud.
Dude, he doesn’t owe you a fucking PL for 2019, or car titles, or deeds in his name. You’re all fucking entitled jealous twats that can’t believe someone so young can be so wealthy. Is Ricky Gutierrez fake, too? What a dumbass.
He saved me thousands on the day you wrote this.. as 2 days later the market tanked
Then you have not watched long enough, or watched the sister channel that gives you the NEXT days trade, I do not think the guy who runs it now is the same guy bc it is all free now.
However, I started trading, and have watched him for the past 3 months, he tells you NOT to do his trades, but I have watched with my own eyes him make trades and win and lose..
I think it’s under new management.
He does show his profit/loss almost everyday, and he also shows the Open/Close screenshots of him entering and exiting a position, to show how much he made off of it. He uses probabilities. Everybody who trades does so on a different probability regimen. He picks Big Movers and plays that are a certain distance from hitting so that they produce a 20% likelihood (average) of landing big and covering the losses from the other 80%. It’s not a shotgun method, as it’s based on news, earnings, and other global, economic factors.
You posted this in February. If you would’ve waited around for another month, you would’ve landed a monster TLT play where hundreds of people made tens of thousands of dollars. Your crappy timing is probably why you don’t have much success in the market, so you can’t grasp what is happening at TTF.
https://www.sunjournal.com/2008/02/06/accused-con-artist-returned-maine/
His name is Johnatan Rosenbloom. He luves in Winslow Maine with his mistress Jennifer Bergeron. He is currently on the run… But we are following him. Anyone with information on this thrip please contact Davisskills@gmail.com
You’re obviously following the wrong person.
Been hit with his free course advertisement on instagram non stop lately. Checked it out and you can clearly see its just a way for him to find the dumb people who will then pay for his mentorship program. He deleted my comment when I called him out on his instagram post.
Emmett, you should consider doing an update on this guy.
Jonathan Massieh aka josh answers ditched his scam trading course and service and is on to the next scam ttfrealeastate.com ttf real estate course
Seen him pushing his new “free” stock trading room and course lately. Wait until he offers his other mentorship course for $3k which you get mentored by this garbage trader who makes more off subscribers then actually trading. Must need the money to be coming back with a course after his supercars owned by bikram choudhury (google him) got taken away.
Still waiting dipshit.
Scammer. STAY AWAY
Some may wonder why no one from his service has publicly come out to expose this douche. I’ll tell you why. He makes you sign a super sketchy contract before you join where he can sue you for a boat load of money if you say anything negative.
If you ask “josh” about this site and reviews he’ll tell you the site owner just trying to get money off him in order to remove post and everyhing is a lie LOL. Has no problem shitting on tim sykes and others but wont address this site publicly or reviews because he knows everything posted on site is true.
I found this, what does it mean?
The Trading Fraternity LLC. is a California Domestic Limited-Liability Company filed on June 24, 2014 . The company’s filing status is listed as Franchise Tax Board (Ftb) Suspended / Forfeited and its File Number is 201417610080.
Props to guruleaks and this site exposing this scammer. Charged people over $3k for a garbage service & course which benefited him and provided no value to his subs at all except for wasting their time and causing many people to lose money. All the negative reviews about him in comments section are true. READ THEM IF YOU HAVENT.
FYI he made his money off subs not trading like he claims. Don’t let his bullshit posts and youtube videos fool you. If he follows or messages you BLOCK HIM. If he starts up his service again AVOID as he will exit scam like he did his remaining subs.
hmmm, trying to make the most of the car rental for the day?….
https://www.instagram.com/lendingtips/
https://www.instagram.com/thetradingfraternity/
https://ig-l-a-a.akamaihd.net/h-ak-igx/t50.2886-16/18538213_644944822378676_2162609376060243968_n.mp4
Forgot the other video… https://ig-l-d-a.akamaihd.net/h-ak-igx/t50.2886-16/18694371_1424237044286687_4574671165636739072_n.mp4
What a funny video. I like how the editing zips past the license plates, or the last bit where there is a rubber hoodicky covering the plate, lol.
funny how there is no mention of thetradingfraternity or its business(es) except for the logo.
Here’s another video, have fun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgeB2YiKao4
Props to guruleaks and this site exposing this scammer. Charged people over $3k for a garbage service & course which benefited him and provided no value to his subs at all except for wasting their time and causing many people to lose money. All the negative reviews about him in comments section are true. READ THEM IF YOU HAVENT.
FYI he made his money off subs not trading like he claims. Don’t let his bullshit posts and youtube videos fool you. If he follows or messages you BLOCK HIM. If he starts up his service again AVOID as he will exit scam like he did his remaining subs.
I have had multiple people get scammed by tim sykes and fous in the last 4 months and they said they didn’t go to me because this review. Take this down right now or I will be releasing our phone call in which you gave me permission to record, amongst the other information about you and your ex-wifes mortgage scam you fail to mention anywhere on your site.
Who is Katie Meyers and what does she have to do with Trading Fraternity? How about this Katie, if you believe that Emmett’s review has hurt your legitimate business (which I assume is trader education) release your brokerage statements from a live account. Prove that Emmett is wrong.
Amazing this alter claims they didn’t go to “her” but instead went and got scammed by Sykes and and Fous because of this review. For sure some of these shills have caught a bit of the mental diseased illogic by the useless nonsensical posts in these comments. But then ago we saw that tradingfratboy went all sputtering about in different areas of the “quick rich” spectrum in his post-review yt videos. It must have done quite a number. Haven’t seen that rented white Ferrari in the daylight since, lol.
Katie,
I assume based on your comments you are tied in with the Trading Fraternity and this review is hurting your business. Sorry but I can not help but get a good laugh when I read you post, “Take this down right now or I will be releasing our phone call …..”
Really!! that is your response to this review. Do you shills even read your own post??
Stray Dog already gave you the right response so I will just say read his post. That is the response a real business owner who is not a con artist would provide. The problem showing you can actual trade the nonsense you sell is the one thing you can not provide.
I can see your response to stray dog, “Take down your post or I will be releasing our phone conversation where you admitted …….. ( I will leave it to your imagination but I had some Dirty Dog ideas I almost posted)”
Never mess with the Stray Dog!
I’m a fulltime vetran day trader of 20 years and been mentoring new traders for past 8 years. I have two published trading books. I certainly can understand how frustrating it is when being duked by these total scam artists running online trading rooms that never pan out. Checkout my website and get in touch with me. I’m adding new traders to my trading group. I’m offering a free trial right now…I will send you personalized trade setups for a week and I promise you will be enlightened with my precision accuracy on my trades. More info go to https://www.daytraderjosh.com
Yet no one here has provided any evidence of him actually being a scam. I will state I have followed him for a long time but never given him any money. It is quite obvious Emmett wrote this with very little prior knowledge of “the trading fraternity” I cannot give insight as to how he teaches once you join but even if youve followed him for a little bit you could tell he preaches heavily against the types of trading scammers advertise (forex, pennies, binary) he says all of these things are a scam including daytrading so he is far from pushing DT or even claiming to be a daytrader.
Thus I can tell you’re unfamiliar with him from the statement ”Josh Answers’ claims to be the world’s most successful day trader”
It appears to me you and others have formed opinions on josh answers based on what you have seen from scammers in the past such as rented cars, paper account statements, victim luring techniques, etc and assumed it all to be fact without having evidence.
” steady request for reviews beginning in early 2016. Over the course of 2016, TradingSchools.org was able to interview several individuals that had terrible experiences with ‘Josh Answers’ and The Trading Fraternity. Their stories are remarkably similar. … In speaking with victims”
I find it hard to believe you have spoken to people who haven proven to be his students for that period of time given the obvious lack knowledge on have on him specifically.
” each alias was accepted into the private mentoring program with ‘Josh Answers’. But here is where the fun part begins, it seems that the price of the private mentoring program is predicated upon the available credit limit that is remaining on the victims’ credit card”
AFAIK they supposedly choose members from interviews… could you provide a screenshot of the application where it asks about credit info?
“after becoming a mentoring student, and spending thousands of dollars in ‘education’ will typically go broke at around 3-4 months.”
Again I cannot vouch for any personal experience with the course but this goes against all of his ideologies he posts about. He says ‘if youre not willing to learn and be patient for atleast a year without trading real money, this isnt for you’
I dont deny the possibility he is a scammer but theres just been a bunch of info posted thats confirmed he is who he says he is, a business man and real estate investor/agent, but no real proof he is a scammer.
looking foward to your reply
I would be more than happy to draft a new review. But just yesterday he posted a Youtube video that claims he made a million dollars on a penny stock, (I believe) in 2009. Which at that time, I believe he was still in high school. Maybe even junior high.
Things just don’t add up. I hear a lot of sizzle. But not getting much steak. If he is a million dollar earner trading stocks, I can easily verify this. And would be more than willing to write about it. It would be a promotional windfall. He can make me eat humble pie, and he can prove his awesomeness. Wouldn’t that be awesome?
Josh is a marketer. A very good marketer. A great showman, great salesman, the kid has hustle. But million dollar trader? Um, me thinks that is just an act. And the fancy cars? A Ferrari, a Bentley, heck why not a yacht and private spaceship. At least if he adds a yacht and a private spaceship, then he will be on par with the rest of the ‘stock trading millionaire day traders’.
Love your comment. Great questions. Hope to read more of your opinions in the future.
I watched the video called how I made six figures trading penny stocks and he said it was 2014 when wolf of wallstreet caused hype in penny stocks and 6 figures not a million if were talking about the same video. I cant recall if he’s ever refused to disclose financial proof but he says he has students watching him trade all day. After following him for so long im intrigued, should try and reach out to him like you said and see if he can prove it/what he has to say because to you theres the possibility he’s legit and to me the possibility he’s a fraud. Or hear from someone who’s paid to be mentored, which you said you talked to people in your post but again I dont quite believe, since I think you lied about that it causes me to question your integrity i.e. creating a story just to back up your beliefs which would be a little insane. I dont have a fighter in the game or however the saying goes but learning if he is a fraud is pretty intriguing considering he preaches about scammers and how theres so many people doing the things you claim he’s doing. So again, you should email him or something.
The number one way to earn trust, is to WARN PEOPLE of SCAMMERS in the business and how much you detest them…
Number 2, have flashy videos showing an amazing lifestyle supposedly earned by whatever it is you are touting,
Number 3… rather than try to get the attention of billion dollar hedge funds, or starting your own, or getting into the investment banker business, go after the desperate and naïve and become a social media expert touting this ridiculous lifestyle and extract thousands and thousands of dollars from thousands of people.
Number 4… Remain a mystery… make up a name… throw in conspiracy ideas… develop a cult following
In case it isn’t clear, we all know who Josh really is. He works at a mortgage company or whatever… like he would really need to do that.
His Dad, a slimy pastor, LIES about having sons….
Josh is aware of this review of him and has posted his response to it. If he is NOT these things that he is accused of, would he not be MORE THAN HAPPY to prove it?? It would be the biggest windfall of all… SLAP Emmett upside the head with EVIDENCE and create a major SCENE for ALL TO SEE and get PRESS coverage and rake in millions of dollars from people wanting to duplicate the proven success… this is what I would do… Wouldn’t you?
MANY victims have written into Emmett telling how the scam works, which is why it came on Emmett’s radar.
No one has offered any proof to the contrary and yet, this guy would have a boon if they did. He only continues the rhetoric as all shills do
I think it is exceedingly clear what this guy is.
I agree a major tactic by these shamshow scum is to pretend they are on the retailer’s side where it helps hooking them in for the sale and monthly churns.
An example of a shamster pretending to be an authority on other sham gurus:
http://www.futuresmag.com/2016/01/27/beware-cult-personality
guess it takes a good shamster to know how they operate
Where’s josh/jonathans response? “MANY victims have written into Emmett telling how the scam works, which is why it came on Emmett’s radar” Ok but where are the actual people who have been scammed? I havent seen any proof of the people he talked to. “No one has offered any proof to the contrary and yet” Still havent seen any proof that he is a scammer. Call me a shill but again I dont deny he has the makings of a shady operation but where’s the proof? Want to hear the accounts of people who have actually been in the program.
Emmett is a self professed scumbag in his history… He knows scumbags when he sees them and he is immersed in this SHIT everyday.. He gets written to everyday from people professing to get ripped off by scumbags. He does his research and is able to prove, very reasonably, they are scammer scumbags. Does he need to reveal names of people that got ripped off to you? Why is that necessary? He puts out his research for everyone to see and makes very heavy accusations and WELCOMES to be proven wrong… funny how no one takes him up on it isn’t it? Or at least rarely…
These people touting impossible things, with all the earmarks of a lying scumbag that runs rampant in this business, who are taking thousands and thousands from unsuspecting clients, would JUMP at the opportunity to slam Emmett with EVIDENCE that Emmett is wrong.. it would only bolster their business a hundred fold…
But they won’t and don’t… They will only offer videos calling Emmett and “hater” but offer no evidence Emmett is inaccurate… that is as far as they will go… How much more evidence do you need?
Yeah… hard to put 2 and 2 together isn’t it?
Well you didnt really add any new evidence just kinda restated stuff you’ve said, I also dont know why youre getting upset. Dont need names just like a screenshot of an email of what they said because again from how this reads it seems he had little knowledge of “josh” but enough anecdotal evidence to bother writing this. I went back on his twitter timeline yesterday because I know he tweets with new people who join. Clicked on some of their accounts and in their bio they had TTF/what pledge class they were in but none proclaiming they’ve been scammed. I could also see people tweeting @ him who were saying “looking forward to see if Im accepted” and they obviously hadnt been. You said he posted a response where is it? Here’s one of the kids post who just @ him https://twitter.com/YoungRamen/status/844055320200691713 so all I can see people saying he’s legit but none from all the people emmett said emailed him. Again though where’s his response?
Hahaha, saw he was streaming on youtube and right when I joined someone asked what he thought about this review and he gave some completely dodgy bullshit answer.
lol that was me. He said Emmett was trying to get him to do promotion on his site, wanted to extort him or something. What a tool
You know what would put him on the national stage and make him millions and millions? EVIDENCE… funny how shills can never produce EVIDENCE of anything they tout yet that would put him on the grand stage with millions and that, there is no doubt, he would relish. Seems that only scammers do YouTube videos driving in expensive sports cars but offer no EVIDENCE of anything… But maybe he is different right? Maybe THIS GUY is the REAL DEAL… all he has to do… IS PROVE IT… but he won’t… will he? NOPE
Maybe we should ask him to PROVE IT lol
All three are pieces of shit. Here is a photo. Pass it around.
I will track down the cars and get photos of the license plates as well.
Well, I am not sure about the father. He seems like a decent enough person. At least from his church video’s etc. The thing I find nutty is that the father flat lied to me about having any sons. In today’s connected world, how could he expect this not to get out?
Benny Hinn seems real decent too.
I would say seeming decent is almost a prerequisite for further investigation of these types. Interesting negative review on Amazon for Daniel Massieh’s book: I know the author to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing and do not believe the stories are true – especially his conversionThere are a great many people in Daniel’s wake of sin whom he has harmed.
What a schmuck. Or douche bag, for all you millennials.
Interesting how Point Mortgage Corp was fined for $200,000 for overcharging interest fees and put on quarterly audits in 2015 according to Better Business Bureau. The guy on the right is now the Point Mortgage Corp La Mesa branch manager Joshua Massieh according to his Linkedin profile.
Is that “Josh Answers” on the right?
good work and good luck on finding out the license plates so it can be known where those cars were rented from. lol. tradingfratboy responding to this review in yt while driving his rented car in the night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_d_hlmEaIU
The Trading Fraternity is owned by a person named Jonathan Massieh, operating out of San Diego.
He has a brother named Joshua Daniel Massieh that is also part of the scam. He can be found at Point Mortgage, also in San Diego. http://pointmtg.com/
The father also knows about the scam. He is a local pastor in San Diego, he owns a thrift store at http://www.openthegates.org/.
The father is also a local realtor in San Diego, Ca. http://www.realtor.com/realestateagents/Daniel-Massieh_Poway_CA_1835088_841784308
Triple trifecta of scam artists. The worst part is that the father knows what his boys are doing. Yet he preaches all over San Diego. What a hypocrite con man.
Praise The Lord! Send me your money and your day trading dreams will all come true!
Like a trail of ants from a trash can, people are coming out of the woodwork with information. How did this guy think he was going to stay anonymous?
I just called the father on the telephone at the Thrift Shop and asked him about his two sons. His reply? I have no sons. What a fucking idiot. Hypocrite pastor.
And I called the real estate office that Josh Massieh works at, yep they know about “Josh Answers” as well.
Just getting started reporting on this guy.
Maybe he’s disgusted with them and it’s a figurative “I have no sons..”
wow, good job on those investigation tips. at the level of “pink panther” & “irs reporter” worthy post. Now we know where they got the pics of the mansions and pools. now all the trading-fratboys need to do is ask Dr. Sachs where to procure fake wharton PhD’s and WT-RossCameron where to find good coders to mock up broker fake statement websites to round up more of the modern shamster tricks.
Info on the Massieh’s keeps trickling in. Am getting all sorts of chatter. After I get more information, will be writing about the entire clan.
Regarding “IRS Reporter” he got his twitter handle banned. His snarky style was a true pleasure to read. Now he posts under GuruLeaks1. And no, I have no idea who he actually is. Though everyone is convinced I am him.
Looking forward to it as I’m sure those following this review are. I’d enjoyed seeing how pinkpanther or irs-reporter’s posts of new facts shut down the shills’ further attempts to obfuscate real quick.. Maybe someone at that realtor organization knows about the white Ferrari and saw the license plate or some clue where it was rented, lol.
I’d like to add some more weight to the OP’s statement.
A recently uploaded YouTube video of Joshua Massieh’s wedding (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xwD0WKyOh0) shows him speaking in certain sections. This voice does not match that of ‘Josh Answers’. After a little more digging, I then stumbled across a San Diego public notice dating back to 2014 matching ‘The Trading Fraternity’ and ‘Jonathan Massieh’ (http://www.sddt.com/PublicNotices/?PublicationDate=7-14-2014&Action=Browse&Category=Fictitious%20Name#.WMPEClUrK70). Therefore, Jonathan is certainly using the pseudonym ‘Josh Answers’ (probably because of some bs reason as well – i.e. his brother always ‘answers’ his phone or he has the ‘answers’ for everything). A nice cushy name to remain somewhat anonymous.
Jonathan also has some prior registered trademarks and is also registered to several investment related websites which certainly mirrors the entrepreneurial tone & language given off by ‘Josh Answers’.
I’ll give you a +1 for that comment not becuz I agree but because I feel sorry for you. You have like a half dozen replies here, and most all of them have ZERO votes. In other words all your hard work is considered irrelevant and useless by the community. That must be tough knowing you are just posting for your own pleasure. Maybe it is time for a new hobby for you, sport.
Well dtchurn must have gotten under your skin so he can claim that as a success. We non-millennial don’t post for likes or for the shallow and banal reasons. We post to express our opinions, to inform and yes for pleasure. In fact we often don’t even click the like button even when we agree with or like a post because that a pointless thing to do. Time for you to go and take a picture of your food dtchurnNO and leave the commentating to the grown ups.
Thanks Stray. yeah, we would still post , help inform and warn newbs of the shamsters’ monthly churn and tricks even if there was no voting. Knowing more newbs are warned over time is rewarding enough. Iin fact tradingshools had no voting for a long time.
Emmett’s work matters, for sure. But obviously no one cares about 2 little peons who try to self congratulate and circle jerk themselves into thinking their little comments actually matter. Keep up the good work guys!
Actually, some of my best leads come from the comments section. For instance, I got a tip about a guy with a big social media following that was offering a ‘guaranteed’ trading system. He proclaimed to the world his trading greatness, that everyone should buy his trading system. Fancy vacation photos, pictures of cars and lobster (and a few shrimp), etc. I called him out and his website disappeared. A few months later…http://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/news/2017/03/17/chicago-trader-indicted-for-defrauding-clients-out.html
All because someone took the time to post a comment about this guy. Now this dude is heading to Federal Prison.
Or how about ‘Chucky’. Another online fraudster that triggered a nasty review. He is currently locked up in Los Angeles, Ca. Busted on Christmas eve by the FBI.
It takes one complaint to get exposed. And the effects are devastating.
In the scheme of things noting matters but making a positive contribution to the thread can’t hurt. dtchurn does that, I try to do that. What’s your contribution dtchurnNO? Ponder that while you take selfies in front of the mirror or while you are watching cat videos.
dtchurnNO, such a creative name. I am jealous dtchurn, no one has come out with a “Rob B No” user name yet. Maybe this post will inspire it.
I cannot believe I am going to waste my time responding to your post as it is so silly. First for me I post what my experience has been with these trading rooms and with trading in general and could care less about my like rating. In fact if I get a bunch of thumbs down I know I must be hitting the mark and the shills are out.
For the life of me I am not sure what you find upsetting about dtchurn’s post:
“wow, good job on those investigation tips…..”
In a nutshell he basically said Thanks Emmett for exposing these frauds. Now I guess you could say what does that add? But here is my take. Emmett’s job is a thankless task. He is not making any money unless he is getting a Vig on the side. And I have seen blogger quit because no one ever commented and then after they quit lots of people come out and say we really liked your blogs don’t quit. So I think it is good when people say Thanks Emmett for a great article.
So my question to dtchurnNO is which of the TR are you associated with that you found his post upsetting?
Now you can vote me down with a Rob B No name.
I actually had to search for Rob posts on a few threads to find out who he was and guess what? The community thinks he is irrelevant too — post after post after post with zero votes. It must be hard to put your heart into writing biting posts and sarcasm only to realize no one cares. Rob, Churn and Stray should form a superheroes club. I found the perfect shirt for them to wear. https://rlv.zcache.com.au/increasingly_irrelevant_t_shirt-rd16ff40ef1a3491098bc665727ea09a0_k2gm8_324.jpg
I guess comprehending a written question and being able to answer it isn’t something that you can do yet dtchurnNO. What offends you so much about dtchurns post? As Rob B pointed out it makes no sense to be offended. Judging the quality of someone’s contribution to the discussion by the number of like votes the post got is disturbing in its shallowness and stupidity. Like Rob B, I can’t believe I’ve wasted my time responding to you because it seems that you are determined to be offended by everything and you lack the capacity to compose a substantive reply to simple questions. What offends you about dtchurns post?
Where did I ever say I was offended by churn’s post? I give it a +1 becuz I felt sorry for him, like I feel sorry for you stray and rob. You waste so much time posting here yet no one seems to care. Must be very deflating as your irrelevance sinks in. I try to cheer churn up by giving him a rare vote – an upvote at that! Maybe I give you and Rob one to cheer you up also.
You are still failing to comprehend what is written here. “We post to express our opinions, to inform and yes for pleasure.” my words and “we would still post , help inform and warn newbs of the shamsters’ monthly churn and tricks even if there was no voting.” dtchurn’s words. Seeking likes isn’t even a consideration nor is being perceived as relevant. I’ll give you 1 shill point for distracting the discussion away from these dirtbags and their sham business.
Okay you win – you do not want likes, even though you each talk about them a lot. And why you not need likes to feel important. Odd. But I already order t-shirts for you, extra large so your inflated head and ego can fit through top. Where should I send them? Maybe it is one address for all 3 of you? You seem to all be very close, almost like same person.
Welcome back RobB. yes, drNo’s postfix of ‘NO’ to my id moniker does look infantile. right Stray, I’m starting to smell shilly smokescreen motivations. I guess I was having too much fun at tradingfratboy being exposed further in these comments. drNo has no idea of RobB’s tireless fight against the shills in the past review comments because he only popped up perhaps not coincidentally in tradingfratboy’s page here. as we know, the shills are shamshow rats who don’t even help other competing rats unless it’s some shady affiliation or referring deal.Notice how tradingfratboy started to post videos in the rented cars at night soon after this review and comments like he was afraid of the car and license plate being seen. Then driving the cheaper mercedez in the daylight, lol.
http://www.youtube.com/user/thetradingfraternity/videos
What is this obsession with “likes”? Another of the Facebook generation, who thinks that everything in the world must be judged by how many people like his post, or else it is irrelevant?
Many of use grew up where we do not expose everything we do just so that some anonymous people can tell us that they like us, or what we write.
Stop your juvenile, Facebook nonsense. This is not Facebook. Just contribute something meaningful to the discussion instead of this nonsense about how nobody has liked a post.
Gosh darn. How silly can we get? Contrary to your obviously closed mind, the whole world is not judged by Facebook mores.
Poor Rob B. Nobody to extend his name. So here goes, as I, Cyn will help you out, because you have too much integrity to shill yourself. So here goes.
dtchurnNO, you can safely ignore Rob B. He is just a 90 year old man who is bitter because too many Ponzis have been heaped on his head. He is so bitter that he regularly beats his 150 year old father and his 100 year old daughter just for fun.
Run away when you see him.
You are right about the fact that I hate con artist that run day trading rooms showing fake results. And Gosh I hope to live to be 90. Now I have to go and count up my likes and beat up my 150 year old mom and dad (gosh I hope they live to be that ripe old age) LOL!!
Actually I will make a comment regarding dtchurNo post as others have said why even bother posting on Emmett as there are so many shills. And I post for the reason I tell them. You cannot help a lot of people as they are desperate to believe the fantasy being promised by these Trading Rooms, but if I help a few I have done my job and very happy.
Yippee! dtchurnNO has voted on my post. I have suddenly become relevant in his world. I am dancing under the moon. Thank you so much dtchurnNO for making me relevant.
Hmmm,
If I understand your logic, which makes no sense to me at all, you base your whole live on what gets you likes instead of doing what is right.
So if a TR is scamming people and all the shills are posting glowing review on investo-scam-u, instead of doing the right thing and posting that the TR is a complete scam you will post the TR is great to get the shills to like you.
Gosh, to me this is very sad and I hope this is not the direction of the youth as it would be a bad direction IMHO for the future.
A tad surprised that you did not realize that I am being sarcastic towards dtchurnNO.
I do not give 2 hoots or a damn about anyone liking what I post. Did you miss the part, where I said that I am Cyn?
I am merely posting in a jocular manner to show how vapid is dtchurnNO’s assertions about “likes”. This blog is not Facebook, where they all tell every detail about their inconsequential lives so that people will give them likes.
Don’t worry Cyn, I got the joke. Rob B probably wasn’t able to concentrate because beating up old people is distracting. Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like, Like.
Can we get back to exposing the scumbag “Josh Answers” please?
Point taken, we don’t want to repeat of the Pete/Al Brooks saga.
This “Josh Answers” really is a douche! His website says he is on Wall Street. In actual fact he is in San Diego. Not even close to wall street!! He wants to know how much credit you can get too… as for the webinars they seem to consist of him swearing a lot and bragging about the rappers he claims to know, they Dont have any real structure… he starts them whenever he wants and ends them when he can’t be bothered anymore… The video library is also a load of crap…. just recordings of the aforementioned webinars.. as for the sorting of the library!! pfft!! shocking… They are just titled with their date.. no tags to find what information you want.. The YouTube videos end with “become a citizen today to access our library of videos”… what a load of crap that is. Barely any of the YT videos are in there… just crappy webinars… There isn’t really much to learn from him. If you have money then you are ok, he will entertain you If not, He doesn’t want to know you. If you know where to look then you will be able to find his real name. Jonathan Massieh of San Diego… The questions asked in the Application are things such as the type of credit you think you have… do you do drugs… He wants to know the ins and out of your life, family, work.. all sorts.. yet he can’t even show his face or be honest… STAY AWAY FROM JONATHAN MASSIEH OTHERWISE KNOWN AS “JOSH ANSWERS”
Anyone can find his real name online. It’s not hard. Jonathan a.k.a Josh, really does think that he is the center of the world… well, Jonathan, It doesn’t..
A soon to be ex citizen.
Post everything about you can about this guy. Would love to fully expose him. Everything. The more the better.
One of the reasons he doesn’t show his face is because he says his “dad is a preacher who preachers against certain middle eastern religions” you can also find his business address using the good old interweb..
I just found Jonathan aka Josh to be very power hungry… You and everyone in his chat room could say the sky is blue… If Josh says it’s green then no one challenges him… His lacky Brendan Carns is a real Dick! That guy would laugh at a fat person who is on a treadmill trying to lose weight. He’s nothing without Josh. Josh has a lot of maturing and growing to do. The TTF could be great… With a mature Josh and no Brendan.
The news letter is not worth the email that it’s carried in… Josh also suggests you get a company started to help lower paying tax… Thus could be considered tax avoidance I guess…
He also has at least one brother who is real estate and his girlfriend is a vegan…
Oh and the street address his company is registered under has been omitted from Google maps..
There has to be a picture of Him somewhere online.. I just haven’t found it yet. (give me time)
Josh has very dark hair that curls when it get a little long and a light scar on his right arm and he isn’t very tall at all.
Is this enough info?
Do you ever write anything good about anyone Emmett? You seem like a loser, so do the people on this blog. I’ve just wasted 2 hours on your site, reading nothing but negative feedback. Your reviews are biased, i think you have mental issues from the past. I can see you you praised owner of SureTrader even tho he is a bigger fraudster than you, any reason why? or you getting paid by him?
Sorry Anthony. Sadly, the vast majority of the trading educators on the internet are fraudsters. Truth be told, when I started this blog, I thought that I would find many more verifiable trading educators. But the horrible truth is that 99.9% of the stuff that is out there is pure nonsense.
As far as my past, I do have issues. Many issues. Mostly regret. The funny thing is that I don’t really feel that guilty about the victims and how I treated them (that sounds horrible). I am more sad about wasting so many years of my youth, chasing the fast buck. Always looking to take, with little regard for others. My biggest regret is wasting 10 years of my prime youth on suckering investors out of their hard-earned money. A waste of time and talent.
If someone would have gotten ahold of me earlier, and channeled my talent towards something positive, I am sure that things would have turned out differently. A waste of time and talent.
When I look at ‘Josh Answers’, I see a reflection of my own self, my own youth. A young and talented kid, wasting his time, energy, and youth selling the dream of the quick buck. What a waste of this kids life. I hope he reads this. I hope he channels his immense marketing talent and remarkable entertaining ability towards something positive. His current path will end horribly.
well said Emmett about this general malaise of this dream selling shamshow business. it’s truly like a wildwest of charalatans where the CFTC and authorities will forever be limited to regulate. btw, this guy is an interesting reviewer of the gaming industry, a rebel against the compromised and shilled review gaming media and the “lying” hype.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nQ1bt9eflU&feature=youtu.be&t=12m38s
Anthony,
The entire Day Trading industry is run by nothing but con artist. Look, if you think Emmett and all the posters here are just losers, then fine. Ignore us and throw your money away on one or many of these day trading room operators. But if you have even a ounce of sense, before doing that DEMAND they actually show you actual proof they can trade profitably. If you learn nothing at all here at least learn that. And lets us know what you discover. From my history of dealing with these Day TR con artist Emmett’s reviews are right on the money, but heck proof Emmett wrong.
Having been in the TTF I can confirm all that Is said here. Jonathan aka Josh is out to get money from people.
If you’re not a shill, then you must be new to retail trading vendors. For closer to two decades there has not been a truthful or compromised trading schools review site until TS.
EMMETT MOORE IS A CHILD BEATER HE BEAT HIS 6 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER AND 28 YEAR OLD WIFE BECAUSE HE BLEW UP HIS TRADING ACCOUNT. ALSO HIS REAL NAME IS NOT EMMETT MOORE – DO NOT TRUST A CHILD BEATER THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT HIM. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE MY WIFE TREATED HIS DAUGHTER FOR BRUISES ON HER FACE AND NECK
http://tradingschools.info/2015/08/05/a-review-of-emmett-moore/
I have a daughter? That’s news to me! And I have a 28-year-old wife? Wow. Amazing. My real name is not Emmett Moore? Well, if you say so.
You did get one thing correct. I have blown up several trading accounts.
I think people make this shit up to get revenge on someone that is actually calling these criminals out. I appreciate Emmett very much.
There are plenty of ways to attack me. My sordid past of running boiler rooms, selling fraudulent investments, going to prison is well documented. This would be the most effective counter-argument. But claiming I have a 26-year-old wife? And beating up children? Wow. That’s creative.
Looks like no one cares about tradingschools.info anymore so the “”Steven/David Ainsworth” shill posts his same all-caps nonsense here.
lol. “Todd” posted
http://www.tradingschools.info/2015/08/05/a-review-of-emmett-moore/#comment-4874
back in Oct. So some brokerage like AMP funds tradingschools in “Emmett’s charter”.. ” to pursue and eviscerate vendors in the trading platform’s partner program.” ??, hilarious. “eviscerate” lol.
Another of these Sykes version2 lowlifes preying on the bad economically disenfranchised next generations of youth let down by the failing institutions and prior generations. Just sickening this reviewed site tries to hook the aspirations of youth into a “fraternity” of dream wealth when the reality is of the millions or so who have tried retail trading, a study was shown 99% ended their trading with a negative sum account. I’m beginning to think all those people at IP Ball 2016&2017 are wannabe dream educators. Maybe the shamshow scum was inspired by this farce:
http://www.youtu.be/3UWY_3xUXCk?t=16m17s
fixed link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UWY_3xUXCk&feature=youtu.be&t=16m17s
These assholes need to be in jail. The thing that pisses me off is that the government won’t do more to punish them.
The government knows all about the trading educational business. And I know for a fact that they want to do more. Much more. When I started this blog, I had close to zero respect for the CFTC, SEC, and the FBI. But in the past couple of years, have had quite a few interactions and conversations. They very much care. But it’s very expensive and time consuming to chase down and expose the massive amount of fraud. So that’s why we are here. As citizens, we need to be more proactive and self-police the industry.
“What will these day trading con artists think of next? A personal rocket ship, a fleet of private jets, a harem of bikini models, a navy of yachts? When does it end?”
You asked so I will make my prediction. His own personal Rock ship to Mars. Anyone dumb enough to believe this guy probably will believe there are already colonies on Mars.
I am just beyond words how anyone can believe this hustler, I mean self-proclaimed millionaire trader is teaching people his amazing secrets of day trade for $29. At some point Emmett you must think it is time to throw in the towel when people are conned by people like this. There is just no helping the fools out there.
To be fair, the victim are mostly 17-26 years old. All I knew until my mid 30s was that I didn’t know what I needed to know when I needed to know it. Often, making a mistake is the best teacher so that’s the silver lining.
The veteran posse round these parts needs a print-out of the last paragraph to read before commenting: “And try and not be too hard on the newbie victims that got suckered into the scam. I am pretty sure that everyone that reads this blog, at one time or another, has also been suckered by a so-called day trading educator.”
Maybe back in your day a college degree was a ticket to success and that judgmental attitude. Nowadays if you’re in the out-group and not the in-group a college degree is just a fast track to a night stockboy career, try it and see how you like it
@Amarant a posse would suggest a group of people and I can’t see were anyone other than Rob B has commented about people getting suckered into the scam. That’s not a posse that’s just Rob’s honest and forthright nature. As for a college degree being a fast track to a night stockboy career, well maybe if your major was parapsychology or philosophy of ufology but the end result of an advanced education is still a life that is more likely to reward you with better employment options and financial remuneration.
I have commented many times in the past I have been the fool and post regularly about my personal experience I had with some of these trading rooms. I guess I get upset when Emmett exposes these trading rooms and people still fall for their scams.
As for college degree, what the hell did you major in. The fact is the unemployment rate among college educated folks is much lower than unskilled workers. And they make more on average than non college educated folks. But the economy is certainly not booming and that has an effect on all skills. But if you majored in anything health care related, engineering or software, accounting or any other useful skill and actually got good grades you should be able to get a decent job after a reasonable search. But there are other factors also, such as are you willing to relocated. If you expect to get your dream job 5 minutes from home you might have a problem.
Just as anecdotal proof, my daughter just recently graduated from college with an engineering degree and was able to find a job out of college within 2.5 hours of where we live.
And if you have any drive and desire you can move up in this country. Take your night time stock boy. I will give you another real life example. My wife ran a franchise for years. Most of the kids she hired where just deadbeats to put it nicely. Many could not even show up to work on time or at all. Ones with any drive and ambition could move up. One lady she hired moved up from cashier to assitant manager to manager to field representative for the Franchiser to eventually owning her own franchise. So quit whining and start to work hard and good things can happen. And if you think it is so horrible here you can always move to Venezuela and then you will really understand hard times.
Hopefully, we have a new Govt that is not made out of career politicians that will finally do away with the regulations and tax policies that have destroyed jobs in this country. Only time will tell.
$29/month price is the perfect bait price. It’s cheap enough that the victim will take a chance and enter into the trap where the real extortion begins. Go into a few luxury car dealerships, snap a few pics, take a few “stalker” pics of other people’s homes and of yourself sitting in some boutique hotel’s pool and you’re in business.
Exactly.
Emmett, can you explain how exactly he empties their credit card? Do they pay a certain amount and then what does he do? Does he give them a way to trade? Does he trade live or on simulator? Is it all spiritual gobbledygook? I’m curious just exactly what he offers to get them to pay (and is the payment based on how much they can pay, ie, how much they have available on their credit card)? Curious how he does this. Does he ask “How much can you pay?”
Have been calling around to local luxury rental car agencies. That damn white Ferrari is going to turn up sooner or later.
Who would be stupid enough to pay $29.99 for a newsletter? Me! Many years ago I paid around $25 a month for the Afraid To Trade daily newsletter by Corey Rosenbloom. I was brand new to trading and thought it seemed like a great deal.
http://premium.afraidtotrade.com/
http://blog.afraidtotrade.com/
In it he’d market off hindsight trades on the ES every day and give a hypothetical daily point total, usually in the range of 10-20 points a day. I ended my subscription when I posted on his public blog some questions I had about some descrepancies I noticed in his perfect hindsight analysis. My comment was deleted. I was respectful and not accusatory, I simply wanted to understand what I may have been missing, but he obviously didn’t want to answer.
There are a lot worse people out there than him, but he jumped to mind when I read the $29.99 comment. Plus he’s another Big Mike promoted vendor and it would be fun to see another BM/FIO affiliates get exposed. You should review him Emmett!
Sometimes it can be tough prioritizing the reviews. Usually, I wait until 10 requests hit my inbox. Or if I get a heartbreaking phone call from someone that got really burned.
If it doesn’t, just let me know and you can borrow one of mine.
One of the guy’s video has over 650k views. Looks like he inadvertently became a youtube hit, lol. He could just do his own “pranks” youtube channel instead of conning wannabe financial fratboys. Maybe someone will happen to catch seeing it in socal. Girls, if this schmuck tries to hit on you with his rented white ferrari, snapshot the car with the license and post it here asap, lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN4zgWvok58