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Academy Of Trading And Portfolio Management is yet another trading educator touting a fantasy lifestyle of shrimp cocktails and champagne, sports cars, private jets, helicopters, yachts, and exotic travels. The owner of the company is even claiming to be taking a rocket ship into space. Yes folks, for only $2,999 you can purchase the video lessons that reveal all of the secrets to finally become a full-time professional trader.
Unfortunately, the performance history of Anton Kreil is nowhere to found. Claims of being a multimillionaire and retiring by age 25 cannot be verified. Claims of being the top rated trader in the world while working at Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and Lehman Brothers appear to be an alternative reality that feeds into the typical stereotype of the millionaire trader.
And finally, why would any “World renowned, multi-millionaire super trader” opt to become a lowly trading educator, peddling video courses and $20 dollar, get rich quick seminars?
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( votes)Thanks for reading today’s review of Institute Of Trading And Portfolio Management
(Big thanks to Vlad at JLTrader.com for helping with the research for this review)
What is this company with the fancy sounding name? Quite simply, it’s yet another trading educational company. The company is offering a smorgasbord of trading educational products that will surely make your trading dreams come true and unlock the secrets to making millions of dollars trading stocks, futures, forex, and commodities…from a true master trader.
Let’s take a closer look at what is being offered:
- Professional Trading Masterclass, which includes 12 months access to 28 core training videos, and 8 bonus videos of “secrets of hedge fund masters”. Cost: $2,999.
- Professional Forex Trading Masterclass, which includes 12 months access to 29 core training videos and several “super secrets of the billionaire traders”. Cost: $2,999
Perhaps you need a little extra help from a true master trader? No problem. Simply sign up for the 3-month trader mentoring program. Cost: $7,000. Better hurry, because space is extremely limited.
Do you like live investment seminars? Well, great news because the Institute of Trading And Portfolio Management is taking the world by storm! For only $20 you can sit anywhere, but the front row. For only $247 you can sit in the front row, very close to the trading guru, and you get to enjoy a pre-seminar lunch with a true master-trader, Mr. Anton Kreil. Hurry, because seating is extremely limited, Mr. Kreil is a man in high demand, and provides economic advice to world leaders, Central Banks, celebrities, and CEO’s of major financial institutions.
Who in the heck is Anton Kreil?
It appears that in 2010, Mr. Kreil appeared in a TV reality show titled, “Million Dollar Traders”. Mr. Kreil appeared as one of the “trading instructors” in the show. The show claims that Anton Kreil became a millionaire trader by the age of 25. Though none of this can actually be independently verified, it is important to note that the producer of the show, and Anton Kreil were close personal friends before the production of the reality show.
A review of Anton Kreil’s biography and supposed personal history includes a charming story about he grew up dirt poor in the UK, and then he began trading at the age of 16. At the age of 20, his trading was so amazing that Goldman Sachs eagerly sought his guidance and counsel on international trading. He claims to have worked the next 4 years as an equities trader with truly marvelous success.
Word of his amazing trading abilities spread quickly throughout the world’s trading communities. At 24, he claims to have been recruited by Lehman Brothers, where he worked for 2 years, and built the “number one in the world ranked European trading operation.” He then claims that he then joined Lehman Brothers and then JP Morgan where he went on to earn millions of dollars.
When he was only 25 years old, he became disillusioned with the world of international finance. He then decided to sell everything and become an international traveller. He then travelled all over the world, in search of deeper meaning, and to discover the meaning of life. After travelling through 25 countries and interacting with “common folk” he had an epiphany. He discovered his true calling. He wanted to be a trading educator. And spread the wealth of his financial knowledge to the world. The idea of the Institute of Trading and Portfolio Management was born. Now, anyone could become a millionaire trader, just like Anton Kreil. All for today’s low price of only $2,999. But people should hurry because the price is increasing at any moment.
Anton Kreil Who?
At TradingSchools.Org, we have heard all of this sort of stuff before. And too many times, we have discovered that the supposed trading guru is just a charlatan looking to hustle a few thousand
dollars by suckering in the newbie trader for what remains of their credit card limit. With Anton Kreil, we began our investigation by contacting him directly. The number one question, is this guy really a millionaire trader? Is there any track record? If any track record of successful trading exists, he certainly was not willing to share it with TradingSchools.Org. Nor is he willing to share his supposed performance with prospective purchasers of his various trading products.
I drink champagne in Monaco. While I look at my yacht.
Anton Kreil claims to have managed one of the largest trading desks in the world, which he claims was rated number one in the world for performance. Yet no articles referencing this information exists.
Is Anton Kreil really a millionaire trader? In all honesty, nobody really knows for sure. Can we legitimise or validate any of his story regarding his work history? Yes. In fact, a prior work history of Anton Kreil can be found posted on the UK’s Financial Conduct Authority. Anton Kreil is listed as an investment advisor for Goldman Sachs from 2001 – 2004, and then Lehman Brothers from 2004 – 2006, JP Morgan from 2006 – 2007.
Registered Investment Advisor=Anton Kreil=World Class Trader?
The big question that prospective consumers of Anton Kreil products need to ask themselves…if Anton Kreil is a registered investment advisor, does this also mean that he is a millionaire and a world class trader? My mother has a registered investment advisor that advises her, and has worked at JP Morgan for 20+ years. In fact, he is the Vice President of JP Morgan. One of many thousands of Vice Presidents at JP Morgan. This is the corny little secret with big banks, everyone gets a fancy title…which means very little.
Whenever a registered investment advisor starts flaunting their supposed personal wealth and spends a major portion of their day talking about their personal wealth…it all sounds so suspicious. Maybe this is why the SEC created a video to remind the general public to be wary of investment advisors that like to flaunt their amazing lifestyle:
The fantasy lifestyle of Anton Kreil
Everyone is familiar with Timothy Sykes and his rented Ferrari’s, rented mansions, rented bikini models, etc. Its what I like to call “Trader Porn”. Tim Sykes was an early pioneer of the marketing 
concept. Create a fantasy world of what the trading public dreams about; trading from a laptop, taking exotic vacations, driving Italian sports cars, dating bikini models, flying helicopters and private jets, bottles of champagne flowing freely, beautiful people enjoying parties and poolside retreats, private yachts. All you need is a laptop computer and the “secrets of trading” course for $4,999.
TradingSchools.org has written extensively about this new class of online hustlers and charlatans. Let’s not forget Fous Alerts, Bulls On Wall Street, and Infinite-Prosperity. All fine examples of “Trader Porn”.
It seems that Anton Kreil is of the “Trader Porn” variety. His Facebook page is a testament to his supposed trading greatness and personal wealth, included are exotic Italian sports cars, beautiful women, exotic locales, champagne bubbling, a yacht, private jets, helicopters, all manner of ostentatious nonsense. Even a rocket ship. No kidding. Even pictures of a supposed rocket ship that is going to fly him to outer space. It is all a red herring. Its meant to distract from the obviousness of no track record and numerous inconsistencies. The following are a few images from this supposed fantasy lifestyle, which can all be yours for only $2,999.
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What is obvious? There is no performance history for Anton Kreil. All of these shiny objects are meant to convey a virtual, fantasy world, that you too can be part of. For only a small fee, you can be part of the 1%, that does not worry about money. Instead, uses the magical trading techniques of Anton Kreil to predict where world markets are moving. It’s all a fantasy folks. And these poor people got suckered into that fantasy…complaint A, complaint B.
Wrapping Things Up
Nothing would make me happier than the supposed super trader, known as Anton Kreil to prove me wrong. Anton, when you read this, it’s going to sting. But I believe this is an accurate portrayal of you. Am not buying your bullshit about becoming a multimillionaire by age 25, neither am I buying the bullshit of building world class trading desks at JP Morgan, Lehman Brothers, and Goldman Sachs. None of it adds up. Even the story of your rocket ship flying you to space appears to be pure PS. To me, you appear to be a nothing more than a common charlatan.
Thanks for reading. Thanks again to Vlad at JlTrader.com for helping with research. Don’t forget to leave a comment below.
Intriguing to say the least!!. Is Anton Kreil even relevant in 2024. What I’d like to know is why he’s so unwilling to share his trading history à la Peter L. Brandt’s Diary of a Professional Commodity Trader – Lessons from 21 weeks of real trading or from his earlier book Trading Commodity Futures with Classical Chart Patterns. In these two books, Brandt CLEARLY documents his wins and LOSSES. Which trader or investor has never taken a loss. If you know of one point her/him out. Even the palindrome himself George Soros took two hits of $600M the mid to late 90s. We all know what he did to the bank of England in 92. Those of us mature enough will know that trading is an art form, not an exact science.
What I find puzzling is why Kreil and his acolytes are so reluctant to share their trading performance. To call this disingenuous would be putting it mildly. It simply drips with arrogance. Not one of his cohorts can elaborate on their trading strategies. Are you a scalper, day, momentum, swing, position, mechanical trader or a combination of said types that best fits your character.
There’s light and day between a trader who plies his expertise on the live edge of the market and an ‘educator’ who’s just witters until the cows come home. Sadly, the latter have proliferated to the point where it’s now an industry in and of itself where the gullible will believe anything for the sake of making a supposed buck.
@ ITPM Skeptic, I’d like to know who this fellow is who has the courses on thumb drive so that I can make a fist full of dollars and book my spot on the rocket ship. Watch this space.
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I been doing Forex PTFM for almost 3 years
Took me 4-5 months to find all links and to put all pieces together in my free time
Well… market does whatever it wants and authorities intervene whenever they want
But yeah i became very good at finding all datas needed. I have all countries data apart Govt for Russia and Turkey
Market conditions changes, people working and seeing things differently. Bureaucracy etc.. always late to intervene sometimes not at all
Which makes me realise that Macro is the economy and what market “should do” but in reality economy and financial markets are 2 different things. So at the end all the hours and weekends of updating the spreadsheets are useless! I do much better by looking at order flow on futures. Seriously not worth it i lost lot of money also… he probably got theses strategy that were good a few decades ago like in the 80-90’s i know that STD deviations were used but by 2000 they were not anymore as it didn’t work no more.
And now im really hesitant to do the PTOM and PTM 2.0 even though i have them on my computer. I am worry to put my efforts and time and ending up the same as a global macro strategy that isn’t reliable at all on long term….
But i leave it to Anton. He is the best salesman marketing guy i ever came across
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You’re writing a review on a course you didn’t even take lol.
Two words: Russian Jew (albeit raised in the UK)… Is a course on fundamentals worth $3K? You decide. Maybe go to Robert Kiyoksaki first, at least he’s cheaper…
With all the respect, I quite disagree with your text. I did his course (2013 version), which I got with a friend on a USB. I’ve been in the market for a few years and already seen many guys selling magical price action/technical analysis magic setups, Anton course is totally different, he teaches you how to think as a hedge fund manager and generate your own trading ideas. If you listen to market podcasts or even youtube videos with hedge fund managers, that’s exactly what they do, they have a macro view of the market, and that’s what he puts in front of your eyes. Also risk management, position-sizing, how to hedge your portfolio etc… Seems that I got a book in which all the information were condensed. Would I pay 3k for the course? no, is too much money for me. Can you learn this thing from different sources? yes.
But I didn’t see in any video he selling you a dream…
Anton makes you brutally aware of the FACTUAL odds and probabilities…to look at the markets more from a data perspective and really see what your probabilities and odds are …
rather than looking at a measly chart spike and throw your money into it when the odds are really still against you.
serioulsy guys..this guy tells you the shit you NEED TO KNOW.
Ive traded everything from crypto, to stocks, to fx…
ive read many trading manuals, some of them are totally excellent, and i have followed many traders on youtube in order to learn more.
From what i have seen, as a total non bullshit artist.
This guy Anton is the REAL DEAL.. it really doesnt matter how much dosh he has made, the stuff he tells you about trading is priceless..
He is brutally honest, and he throws away all the frills and nonsense about trading, trading platform, trading techniques, trading indicators, trading risk, trading frequency etc.
This guy puts THE TRUTH into perspective without the hype, and it doesnt matter that his videos are all poor quality…
THE CONTENT IS PRICELESS.
Just some simple examples ..he will explain why everything you have been taught is probably wrong…eg..with risk taken in a trade…you may think you are doing a 3:1 trade reward:risk…but in reality its like a 9:1 trade….after paying broker fees buying costs, selling costs, and probablity of the actual trade coming off. These things are critical to stop blowing up YET ANOTHER ACCOUNT.
He will enable you to get over your addiction to technical analysis, and how to really get a good grasp on if your stock is going to win or lose….he matures your decision and ideas process.
excplains how to build and manage a truly solid portfolio and much much more … Seriously guys, i was lucky, i got the course off the pen drive guy…but either way after all my trading successes and mainly failures, and after doing all the warrior trading stuff on youtube and the tim sykes etc…
i was left with gaping holes in my approach…
This guy filled those gaping holes and actually made me change my entire approach to trading.. I was finally going to get a stake of about 25 grand, give up work and go all in as a trader.., but now i am going to stick that 25 grand in my trading account and to think of it as an asset…and try and expand and grow that asset..
i wont be drawing a wage from it…if i want income, ill get it from my other work..
i now know how futile it is trying to trade an account up and also depend on it for an income…seriously guys it just blows up your risk and eventually your account.
so thanks to anton i have a more realistic structured plan about my trading and so far i have been profitable.
when i say that i mean since anton i have probably made over 10 times the amount than i have lost.
the world is full of trading bullshit gurus…and this guy is having a good time, making good money off trading courses, probably has a real stable personal portfolio growing nicely…
but he will teach you that approach …the real truthful possible approach ..
rather than just looking at gappers with low float and getting everyone to jump in behind your trades and then wiping them out until the next lot of sheep join your chatroom.
not only that…but i now dont feel it necessary for more than two screens, and at a push for luxury maybe 3 …i dont need 10 screens to be really profitable.
As I pointed out three months ago, Anton Kreil could care less what you think of his trading record. He is not selling trading advice.
ITPM teaches traders how to develop solid trading ideas, using both fundamental and technical analysis. Kreil emphasizes risk-weighted returns and insists on professional-level risk management. They are one of the few educators in this business that puts risk management at the top of the required knowledge list.
ITPM makes absolutely no representation that anyone will make money with their methods. What they say is if you’re smart and work hard, you can achieve success the same way institutional traders do, without the bothersome degree from Harvard, Yale or Oxford.
You guys are so steeped in snake oil that you see everything through that horribly cracked lens. Avoid *anyone* who says follow me. Think for yourself, learn from the best, work your ass off… and maybe, just maybe, you can be a successful trader.
The point about Anton Kreil and ITPM is that they absolutely do not purport to offer trading advice. They actually scorn “nugget hunters,” or “bottom-feeders,” as they term those seeking hot tips. Their programs are designed to teach traders how to do their own work, come up with their own trading ideas, and achieve success — or failure! – on their own.
There is a prop trading enticement– how genuine I can’t say — but it is only offered to traders who achieve outstanding results trading with their own money. As I see it, this is basically an alternative path into the world of institutional trading, for those who don’t have the academic bona fides, or are too late in their career, to get hired at the big banks or hedge funds.
The glamour piece seems to be tied to the live seminar experience they are presenting, not as a result of quick trading riches. For sure, when I pay $25,000 to attend a training, I’d better get a few shrimp cocktails!
Whether there’s justifiable value in the live or recorded programs is for each individual to decide for him/herself, but this is not a get rich quick pitch by any means. Anton insists it take hard work, diligent effort, and tireless dedication to skills development to become a successful trader. And that, I’d say, is about right.
He savages the investor education business on You Tube, and his 10 Secrets to Achieve Financial Success is rock-solid advice, given freely. He is clearly not peddling “whack-a-doodle.”
(Note: Before posting I scrolled down and read Emmet’s exchange with Paulie, so I will withhold my criticism of unfair cynicism. Look, what anyone wants to do with their surplus funds is up to them… I have no information about this alleged rocket ship, but that has nothing to do with the course content, in any case!)
Thanks Chris. This is a really good and fair comment.
I dont really have any problem with Anton. I just wish he had a track record. He knows this. I have pestered him about this.
You claim his career is imaginary but you didn’t even bother looking him up on the FCA’s register? Suddenly I don’t believe anything you have to say
https://register.fca.org.uk/s/individual?id=003b000000LURNxAAP
What about his rocket ship? He literally claimed that he will be flying into space on his rocket ship? Doesn’t that seem a little bit odd?
And what about his track record? Apparently, no person on this planet has ever seen any verifiable proof that he even trades.
Perhaps he can fly his rocket ship to the financial institution where his trading record can be found? This might help.
All of these vendors know that if you want a good review from TradingSchools.Org — you need a verifiable track record.
Has anyone bloomberged him yet?
Hello,
We would like to know your terms and conditions of trading. We are a firm of management consultants and would like you to manage our clients’ funds.
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There is no good teacher for a stray student!
He might been a bad trader as we dont have any proofs for his income as a trader but i tell u wat give him a try on his course…dont buy from insitute but from third party
Why a third part?
Because you can get access to his course and like 100 others for 25$ a month from certain sources.
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This is wrong review. I have taken Anton courses and learned a lot from them on what are the real indicators that moves market with public available data and stats on them to prove the hypothesis.Anton is a real deal if you want to know why the stock is trending up or down fundamentally
OP hasn’t even taken his courses. I don’t think he’s even watched one of his lectures in its entirety. He’s just a salty man who hates seeing someone else profit off of something he’s in the same business for. All he cares about is his p/l statement? Who cares. Watch a single one of Anton’s videos and you’ll understand there’s value in the ideas he’s presenting, not the p/l record.
Who cares about p/l statements from someone who is selling you a course that is supposed to make you a profitable trader? Anyone who has a ounce of common sense does. If the vendor can’t show you that they are trading profitably with what they are selling then the course isn’t worth the price that they are asking. The attitude expressed in some of the posts here makes it easy to understand why scams and conmen flourish in the financial education space.
I took the PTM and POTM and both were well worth the time and money for a new investor.
As with all things, if the price is too steep you can wait and see if a deal comes along. Either way, $1500-$3000 is on par with any college course, and the information I got was on par with any college course.
From first finding him on YouTube, attending a live seminar with Raj Malhotra, and taking the PTM and POTM course themselves, I’ve never once felt Anton or ITPM were promising me riches or luxury lifestyle– just to teach me how a professional protects and grows an account and what they look for in idea generation. I received all of that information.
A couple of alumni claimed to have paid the course off with what they learned and actually turns out *I have too*… it took a few months, but I’ve paid it off and then some. The guy can put whatever he wants on his personal Facebook page, it’s his, and none of that shit is on anything branded with the Institute.
I’m sorry two very poor English speakers who likely couldn’t get anything out of the course due to language barrier felt scammed enough to make reports to a website clearly designed to placate angry consumers with a sense of revenge for grave injustices done upon them by businesses (ripoffreport)… anyone who’s ever worked in retail knows the type: sorry pal, sometimes the customer is wrong… and dumb.
This review seems personal. I think they must have asked Anton for info or records and pissed him off, and being the cocky asshole prick he can and is totally allowed to be, he told them to fuck off… so they leveraged their readership against him in retaliation… which doesn’t bode well for the credibility of the site, but, oh well?
Anyway, Anton is no Tim Sykes or Josh Answers and it really sucks this site is driving so many people away from something that might help them because Anton was mean to the reviewers. lol.
Fair enough. And a well thought response and personal narrative. I appreciate reading your comment.
At the end of the day, you have to consider that the review was written about two years ago. At that time, the shady marketing was full tilt and everyone was doing it — including Anton. Heck, he even claimed to have a rocket ship.
In my opinion, an audited or highly verifiable track record of Anton Kreil and his various mentors would be greatly appreciated. But I cannot seem to get one. Perhaps you can?
It’s probably not enough for you but all of the traders/mentors at the Institute have balls enough to put the banks they’ve worked at on their LinkedIn. Anton even accounts for his time off. Most furus seem to either start out as successful furus or have a blank resume. Call me naive, but I trust and believe that all these guys have traded professionally for these banks, whether they were top traders at these banks or not, they know more than I do and they know how the inside works…
Tbh, I don’t think guys who get those jobs are meant to last long… it seems high stress and you make the money you need to and gtfo.
As far as trade performance… if you’re reviewing a school that might be scamming students, and all of the students are saying they haven’t been scammed/got alot out of the course/paid the course off with what they learned… isn’t that the performance that actually matters?
I will say one of the things Anton says, even in some of his free vids on youtube, is that yes, he sells an online course and data and manages the institute for income. He doesn’t trade for income. You can’t trade for income. Nobody trades for income. Even the hedge fund managers and bank traders take a basic salary. I’ve actually given up my dream of trading from home as a job because of Anton’s course… because that’s the real shit. NO promise of unlimited wealth from trading WHATSOEVER. Just a means to grow and protect the account that needs to last you through a comfortable retirement.
Also worth mentioning: the institute ultimate source of income is their student, but not necessarily just the course fee. When they find a good trader, and I’m sure it’s rare and you have to be a damn good one, they will take you on board with their capital and pay you commission on the money you make them. It’s in their best interest not to rip you off with bad information.
If you’re interested and willing, perhaps take a look at one their recent videos in a new series they’ve started. They interview the mentors and talk about some of the plays they’re watching. It’s nothing like the usual youtube trader… very methodical, thought out, well researched, supported with data, etc. etc. These guys are thinkers, not day trade reactionists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGL9nC8-Qsw
I have never read such a stupid review in all my life. The course is long, it is difficult and follows the trianing pattern of most investment bank trainees. If you hate excel don’t do the course! It’s not cheap but it will help you make more money than you lose. The reviewer hasn’t even put their name to what they wrote. A total blonker.
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Please do let me know when Anton Kreil gets his rocket ship ready for blastoff.
Who is the blonker? The guy that writes the review, or the guy (Anton Kreil) claiming that he purchased a rocket ship and is about to launch into space?
Anton never said he’s ever purchased a rocket ship, you absolute spastic
Anton was referring to Virgin Galactic, which had been advertising seats on the first commercial space tourism ship for $200k, which he purchased. He never claimed to have a rocket ship.
PAID REVIEW. This stupid guy is paid by someone to review him down.
If you think Anton is bad, show us what YOU (the review author) got. Why should anyone be convinced about what you say ? Are you a professional trader ? If yes, how can we track your experience ?
Reviewer didn’t do any real digging into the guy. This lecture, he provides links to all of his work history, and breaks down exactly why the entire game is setup to get you to fail. Pretty honest approach. He even tells you his personal approach to trading which is mostly fundamental macro approach. Solid watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7G0OfJUON8
It’s clear the reviewer here is a moron. You do know that you can check Anton Kriels history yeah? It’s all online. Everything head ver done, where he worked etc. Are you really trying to say he didn’t work in the largest investment banks in the world? That he isn’t asked to do numerous seminars in the finance industry all around the world? He knows what he’s talking about. It’s obvious you don’t.
whats his track record and sharpe ratio over the last decade?
crickets…
Take the course first, judge second.
I believe whats wrong with whoever wrote the review and most of the comments here is that either none of you have taken the course and/or none of you have worked in the industry before and have a strongly distorted view of what actually goes on in this business. I have been working in the sell side research department of one of the largest investment banks in Egypt for about 4 years now and have worked for a total of 7 years in the industry with 3 years experience in another IB.
The content which Anton is teaching and explaining is beyond anything I have been taught previously and I was taught by some serious high level senior analysts who all have CFA certifications and have been in the industry for 20+ years. He clearly understands what he his explaining and ultimately whether you make sense of it or not is all down to your basic IQ and level of understanding.
What he teaches you is an investment strategy called Global Macro which is implemented by a wide variety of hedge fund managers around the globe and is the main strategy employed by Ray Dalio who runs the largest hedge fund in the world (Bridgewater). Ultimatley the theory behind global macro is that by using certain forward looking economic indicators (leading indicators) you can predict what the economy is going to do based on historical and current probabilities and this allows you to make certain predictions for the overall stock market and different sectors and stocks within it. In a simplified manner for example the YOY GDP growth rate of the US and the S&P500 YOY returns have an 85% correlation which basically means if you can predict future GDP growth you have an 85% chance of predicting the future direction of the S&P500. So the whole aim is to use certain economic indicators for specific countries based on the makeup of the economies of those countries .
The content itself in the course is beyond brilliant, first you are explained the differences between professional and retail traders and why 99% of retail traders ultimately lose most of their capital so you see what to do and what not to do from that aspect. You are next taught a framework called the WISH framework which stands for world, industry, stock and having discipline and this is the framework you use to generate trading ideas by starting of with forming a world view, then an industry view, then a stock view and finally using a gatekeeping process (involves technical analysis) to best time your idea and manage risk effectively by using the average true range to determine stops and targets. This is a very summarized version of what is taught in the course.
I see most people on here complaining that its mostly fundamental and macro oriented whereas that is the process used by the most successful hedge fund managers in the world, as the saying goes I have never met a rich technician and the same is true in the stock market. Technical analysis is used as a confirmation indicator to your previous predictions based on fundamental views but you cannot predict the future using present and historical price levels!!
I have personally torrented and fully watched both the PTM (stock market course) and PFTM (forex market course) about three times total.
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I totally agree with what you said, I already took the course and had the examination. if you have some minutes to spare I would like to ask you a couple of questions, as I live In Egypt as well. Please let me know if possible. Thanks
Thank you for this eye-opening review.
Baby you guys are doing the lord’s work with these kind of thorough investigations! Thank you so much. I’ve took a look on his LinkedIn page, he does have a lot of + plusses for skills from various people and Leeman br and Goldman Sachs is also linked in his employment history (not sure wheter one can hack that) but only two written recommendations none of which are from people of those companies. It intrigues me but I’m happy websites like this pull stuff from under the rug.
Like most people I have watched his slick, well-produced videos.
I met Anton Kreil for lunch when he visited Australia where I attended one of his spruiking seminars.
The biggest problem with Anton is that he has never openly disclosed his trading history. He sells a dream – there is nothing more to him. I suspect he has made more money selling his courses than he has from actual trading.
I did not learn a single thing from the 12 hours that I spend with him. This guy is glib, superficial and has not very much to offer if you are seeking an education. Worst of all, he tends to be extremely obnoxious when drunk.
Cannot agree more with the comments above. I did the course and it’s a total waste of money. Mainly fundamentals and lack of technicals.
Just look at PMI & NMI for leading indicators.
He also does spreadsheets on ATR, total waste of time, just use Supertrend indicator, same thing, or ATR indicator on a 12 month setting.
Odds and distribution is shit.
The guy isnt honest. I know a guy that spent time with Anton, got to know the ins and outs. He said he is a VERY insecure person, hence the big ego. Also he constantly cheats on his wife Meng, this guy has video and pics to prove it as well. Now if he is willing to do this with his wife, what does that say about how he treats the minions?
Ive been to the bar with him, he buys 100 pints to lure f##kwits into his legendary stories of Wall St, snorting coke down the side allies pre market open after a big weekend and his general greatness.
He didnt retire, he left JP Morgan London after a falling out with upper management, he told me. It was either leave or be fired.
There is a guy now who has ALL his Equities and FX courses on thumb drive and is giving it to anyone who wants it. Apparently someone who worked for Anton, pirated it and is distributing.
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That’s really interesting, thank you for sharing! Where could I find the guy who has all his courses on thumb drives? Would be really interesting to see the courses he charges 10k for
I took the class, it is very technical
I took the course in December of 2012, I took the one month course which was half the cost. It is very technical, you learn several charts to chart the performance of a stock. such as calculating the beta etc.It begins with a top down approach of the economic indicators, which ones matter, where to find them. You are also provided with PDF’s of what was taught as well as chart templates and lists of companys in various sectors. The course trains you to trade internationally. I had trained as an investment advisor and the information was not covered in any of the classes I took to get licenses and I found the information valuable. As for Anton peddling to make a few bucks, what is clearly evident is that he acts as a recruiter for hedge funds and he has carved himself a niche. Recruiters for major corporations earn big dollars, I think this is a main source of revenue for him and his staff. He has managed to hire a decent sized group of highly skilled and talented traders to act as mentors for his school. He also sells software programs that do what he trains you to do.
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I think this review might be a big false positive.
I suggest a totally new reviews?
The program looks crappy with shitty audio quality.
They don’t even talk much about technical analysis.
I know this review was from 2016, perhaps things have changed? I’m studying the website and it looks like ITPM’s actual business model may be forming traders for prop trading and placement elsewhere. It’s not really about selling 3000$ classes. They’re training people on a system, and then you can apply to become an “institute trader” and build up a record and later trade with their money if you’re consistently profitable. I don’t think the trading performance of Anton Kreil really matters; I have not bought the class yet, but it looks like it’s all about portfolio/risk management and macro. I personally bought an Options trading course and service from elsewhere for 5000$, so I’m not shocked by the price here.
IS this true?
I just watched his video on Youtube and was intrigued of how he was speaking, but…
After that it all added up nicely:
First moments..
Kreil: “I am the good and intelligent guy and I will teach you how everyone else is fake!”
Me: OK sounds amazing in this world full of lies, I want to make money!
30 minutes later..
Kreil: “Alright I’ll give you just a general information about how you can recognise scammers!”
Me: Okay good I have been already scammed enough from different institutions, but what can you offer against scam already?
1 hour later..
Kreil: “In the institution of bullshit we teach you how to make money, but first give 2,999$”
800 000 people watched it, let’s say 10 000 can afford that
10 000 * 2,999 = 29, 990, 000$
Good job bro you might just be able to buy some of the things you wished for Christmas the last year.
Even brokers should be jealous of your gains LOL.
Your post just hit the jackpot. I could not have done a better job of explaining Kreil’s ‘Three Card Monty’
You sound so poooor, financially & mentally! 🙂
Thats how online courses work, even on LinkedIn’s Tutorial website.
Funny I just watched a video Anton made only a couple of weeks ago where he explains how to spot fake/scam/charlatans, how educators are part of the system to screw you out of your money etc. etc.
I started investigating him after seeing the price for his coarse….Turns out he is doing the old “show them how fakers fake and scammers scam and they wont see that I am doing exactly that”
Find his vid on youtube watch it then compare what he is doing to his vid!
The courses on the ”Institute Of Trading And Portfolio Management” site are over hyped and way over priced and it is as simple as that! They are certainly not worth the money and they are tailor made to capitalize on new entries into this field.
But having said that if you have plenty of money to throw around, then you may find them of some value and interest.
They are not a quick rich solution for poor people with limited capital to spend. The problem is that they draw in those type of people to begin with!
You can start trading in shares this instant with a small amount of capital and an online share dealing account. The rest you can learn for free and with trial and error.
You would be better to save your money and invest it into shares instead.
I’ve come across Anton’s videos on YouTube and have watched several hours of them in the last week. I’ve now googled for reviews and that is how I’ve ended up here. I’ve not yet done his course but I am interested and just thoroughly snooping around for any dirt to change my mind before parting with my money. From YouTube, I recognise him from a tv show several years ago called million dollar traders where he was a mentor to a group of people selected to trade a million dollar account as a team. It was real money put up from some guy with a fund who features on the show and Anton was clearly there as a mentor (a lot younger and a lot thinner but very clearly Anton). This is a three hour show and quite enjoyable to watch. It’s a bit of a train wreck comedy, but I really enjoyed it and have no reason to be suspicious of it. Then I looked at several of his talks on YouTube and found one where he is talking at a University and clearly says after that show people from around the world contacted him and asked him how to trade and that is how he got the idea for the trading school. It actually seems like a credible story to me and I guess part of that is I remember watching million dollar traders years ago and it’s like I’m putting 2+2 together and it seems to equal 4. I’ve also watched some of the free forex course videos on YouTube and I like them. So although I’ve not done the course, I do plan to do it shortly unless I can uncover any dirt online. The hyper aggressive lifestyle marketing is a little cringeworthy and I’m slightly put off by it but everything else I’ve found seems credible and I can’t fault anything he says so I’ll probably go ahead shortly with the course. This site is the most negative thing I’ve found so far and it seems to me you’ve not really uncovered any dirt, you don’t like his marketing and don’t find him credible because of no published track record. I find him credible because everything he says is correct, (in my opinion) congruent and I can’t find anything inconsistent. That’s my 2 cents. Cheers
Hi, I am a bit concerned because I thought that he was legit after watching this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7G0OfJUON8, are saying that is part of his Marketing tactics?
This article is full of lies and deception. Or the author is simply an idiot. Google “Anton Kreil” and you’ll find proof of his past professional experience at Goldman Sachs and the other major investment banks and hedge funds he’s worked at.
Ridiculous.
Spot on absolutely shit article. What a load of bs, I guess the author would rather prospect traders take a broker made technical analysis course instead of leaning a proper formal structured investment processes employed at hedge funds and investment banks. This article was probably sponsored by a bucket shop retail trader brokerage.
And Anton Kreil is such a humanitarian, such a hot shot trader with a killer methodology that he now shares that industry secret sauce with everyone, well everyone who has $5,000 to give to him. Give me a break.
When the shills vent, could they please start with “Here are my trading statements that show the results of the trades I placed using the method Anton Kreil taught me.” If you have had real success, over a reasonable period of time, everyone wants to hear about it but you’ll need to back it up with real evidence.
Have the shills watched Million Dollar Traders? That’s the only reason Anton Kreil has any notoriety as a trader. I watched it when it first aired and was unimpressed with Kreil. Nothing he shared with the novice traders was in anyway adequate preparation for the world of trading. None of the novice traders in that show went on to become successful traders. I also don’t understand the attitude of belittling retail traders. Do you know who makes a better return on money than hedge funds and investment banks? Retail traders do, that’s why we trade our own money. Finally, you need to keep in mind that Kreil didn’t make his money from trading. He got paid a huge salary to work at a bank and that not the same making profits trading an account. Go to babypips and read the thread “I admit it, I purchased Anton Kreil NEW 2,999 $ Forex trading cource”
Whatever happened to Anton Kreil and his rocket ship? This guy is a bag of nuts. A rocket ship. Who would believe such nonsense?
Every time I feel sad and blue, I just imagine Anton Kreil dressing up like a cosmonaut and preparing for blastoff. Always makes me giggle and puts a smile on my face.
Maybe people would take Anton more seriously if he disclosed his trading history either thru his tweets or someplace that is verifiable. Truth is he won’t and he can’t – this guy knows no more than most chumps in the market. He makes more money selling courses than he does trading. It’s as simple as that.
EMMIT the author of this website is a bitter old man.. hahahaha
This review is disappointing, and my respect for this website has just collapsed into nothing.
If you have listened to Anton, and got access to his Trading course you will know that what this review is trying to depict him to be is exactly the opposite of what he suggests or advices. Throughout the course there is no single moment where he attributes the lifestyle he has to his trading style or approach, and I challenge you to prove me wrong on this one.
Now, if you believe that the value of a currency moves mainly because a doji has appeared continue to live in that bubble. Anton dives in into what really moves the markets, and that is fundamentals, not technicals like what other instructors only teach. Its sad that the majority of courses outhere end fundamentals in just trading news.
The issue of posting track records and what not is a matter of personal preference and how one maintains his privacy. From what I now know and the amount of false information being advertised from websites that are in bed with brokers that only after your money, this review and site sounds like one.
Dear traders out there, if 95% of retail traders lose money and around 90% of trading tutorials, books, courses rely solely on technical analysis; do you still believe you will win this game from just technicals? The correlation is just crazy. However, I can dare say that Anton’s course is one of the few courses you can get that are around the remaining 10%; that is more fundamentals and a little technical for timing fundamental trades.
I leave with you with a challenge too, you painted a picture that looks like Anton promises the lifestyle he has to his students because of what he teaches. Please provide to us, your thankful audiences, the proof of this claim.
The article is a bit disappointing as it doesn’t really answer the question who is Anton? All I read is just guessing and feel a sense of jelousy. If you check more videos, you can see him talking with other ex GS colegues. Maybe you could send an official request to GS and ask about him. I am sure these companies would like to preserve their reputation and at least approve or reject his claims of being employed there. Now, the article is worthless without providing evidence of lie. The price is what it is. Nobody is banned from creating projects and earning money. Everyone’s choice to book or not to book the course. There are videos of mentoring programs. You can see how it is going there.
I would have to disagree with everything you said, I learned more in one video then the millions of bull shit educators out there put together.
Anton worked as a flow trader working customer orders at gs. Mainly on the uk equity desk I believe. He would have done some proprietary (i.e. Trading his own views) in the “back book” but mainly working customer orders. Lex van dam was on the uk flow desk for a while but then did prop and was profitable I believe. I don’t know if anton was profitable but I did hear he did his brains at jp Morgan.
I am suspicious of all online investment educators, but Anton is one of the best I’ve found to date. I have not paid for his course or any other educators course. I prefer the education of investing that money myself and utilizing whatever resources I can find for free. But if I had to buy one course, or go to one seminar it would probably be the ITPM. There is a lot to prove that Anton Kreil is the real deal. He has interviews with his ex comrades at GS online, he does big seminars that are widely attended by successful people and clearly legit. He has done lectures at UK universities on the Finance industry and I don’t think they’d have invited him if he was not a real success in that industry at one time. You typical internet hecklers criticize someone for not showing absolute proof of their success and wealth, but at the same time you criticize those who do like Tim Sykes saying it is not real or rented. Dude there is no end to the mistrust of the internet. People even believe that Obamas birth certificate is fake and that the holocaust was faked. Some people just can’t have any faith or believe in anything. i haven’t needed to pay for any of Anton or Tim Sykes products to have made money with their help. Pretty much everyone who knows anything agrees that Tim sykes is real, he is a successful penny stock trader, which is not hard to be. The thing about him is that his methods aren’t scaleable so they are of no interest to even a high rolling independent investor and therefore mostly irrelevant except for those starting out with less than 50K or so (a very rough estimate) maybe even less.
Another thing, is that Anton is involved with Lex Vandam, who provides a very good education through his FREE videos on youtube about trading and idea generation processes and is without a doubt real.
AM I saying to pay for any online course? No, I couldn’t because I haven’t ever done so. Would it pay off? Probably if you were starting out with 25k or more, but when the cost of a course would be 20-50 percent of your portfolio or more there is no point. Learn on your own take what free lessons you can. It just sucks to hear all these disgruntled internet dbags one of the few trading instructors who are sincere and have valuable info to share not only in their paid courses but also for free. The seminars are a lot cheaper btw and probably better.
Yeh sure you work for a hedge fund in NYC earning billions, why the fuck are you here then.
one more comment. for anyone wishing to join any mentorship program or ”Learn to Trade” You need to see a few things first before you even consider. 1) audited trade records. 2) guaranteed that they will mentor you for at least a year. I Guarantee you may not get even number 1.
Check this recent vid out, it may change opinions…
Anton Kreil Annihilates Retail Brokers and “Trading Educators”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKLB2CldDwA
I posted a comment a while back but I still don’t see it, so I don’t know if something went wrong with the posting or it was blocked.
I had done a somewhat detailed review of his forex course as one of my friends is taking it and I was following along. I won’t write a detailed review again, but I will summarize.
I really think that he shouldn’t be attacked for his courses; in other words, say what you want about the man himself as I don’t know him either and cannot vouch for him, but his forex course is legit.
Generally, this is how charlatans teach trading: 100% technical analysis, short term trading on lower time frames (1 minute, 5 minute, 15 minute candles, etc.), use of basic indicators (moving averages, macd, stochastics, etc.), essentially little to no money management (over leveraging, not having enough diversification). No wonder the majority lose money; how do they expect to compete with the algo’s?
The way Anton teaches trading is 20% technical/80% fundamentals, a 1-3 month trading time frame, relying more on statistical distribution and deviation rather than indicators (he mentions many times that forex has lower volatility than many other asset classes, so you have to find the pairs that are historically more volatile), macro economics (leading and coincident indicators), a huge focus on money management (identifying volatility rather than over leveraging on a underfunded account and getting margin calls, holding many positions, having realistic loss/gain targets, not looking at targets in terms of pips but in terms of % movement which eliminates a lot of over leveraging). They way he teaches you to trade is very different from the charlatans. It’s real money management.
I myself was a little skeptical as when I learned to trade I was so focused on technical’s instead of a more macro-fundamental approach. Like most people I read some books and watched some YouTube videos. To be 100% honest I haven’t adopted his full methods and I still rely on technical’s more than he advocates, but I think that’s because I’m trading with a small personal account. But if I ever manage a fund or have a lot of money I would use his methods as long term it is much more consistent and the gain/loss % is more controlled.
I have two friends, one who works at RBC Capital Markets and one at BNP Paribas, and they confirm that the macro-fundamental approach is the way they do things. Of course they have even more economic data than the retail trader so they’ll always be better, but the approach is the same.
So to summarize, say what you want about him personally, but his course is definitely worth the price and does change your perspective on the markets.
@Jon – was you the tea boy?
In this article you have defamed perhaps one of the EXTREMELY few legitimate trading educators out there, and certainly the most professional one. Kreil starred in the 3 episode BBC documentary series “Million Dollar Traders”, where they confirmed his investment banking career, in London, during the noughties. This review is absolutely embarrassing for your website; it literally destroys any credibility you had as a trading education reviewer. In fact, this review proves that not only most trading educators out there are charlatans, but also that you cannot even rely on education review websites either! I’m assuming the charlatan educators pay you to promote their courses as legitimate, while you slate the only professional one?
Hello Emmett
I read your review and can’t really agree with what you write. I am not really sure if you have spent some time watching either the PTM or PFTM series.
I used to be a technical analyst trader, started my carreer around 2012. I learned a lot in public videos provided on the internet (youtube) but was also left with a lot of unanswered questions.
Starting 2015 I was so far that I started writing my business plan to become (how I believed) a professional trader. Based with the experiences and knowledge I made with these trading videos.
Then later 2015 I watched the PTM series and a lot of my questions got answered. Unfortunately new questions also appeared. But my overall understanding of the trading world increased.
I didn’t even knew that I could make distributed analysis with historical values because these things weren’t told (or known) to me. Getting a world view and a proper position how the economy of a country goes.
Sure! His videos could’ve been better and his spread sheets slightly cleaner. But he was certainly an eye opener.
I also don’t agree with you that you write stuff that he promises that you make the big cash. In fact he repeats all the time that trading is not easy. That going through all the steps are not easy either and that it may take time to get things going. It’s not an overnights job… And even I had to learn that.
He doesn’t need to open his trading account or track record, because the stuff he explains is not simply stuff that someone puts out of thin air. If he has no knowledge, then he probably wouldn’t be doing what he does.
And!
His trading videos aren’t really that expensive… If you divide 3000 USD by 30 Hours of Lessons then you end up in 100 Bucks per hour.
Ever been on an IT course ? OCPJP ? Java, .NET, C++, Oracle, Microsoft, Linux etc ? They charge you far more for far less…
One thing I must admit! It’s not easy (for a foreigner) to follow his Lessons. It’s not easy and hard to understand at time… Sure! you don’t get shown Metatrader and charts. You need to get your brain towards a more economic approach. The charts comes later – once you understand how the economy of the country looks like.
I always hear people saying: “The stuff he teaches is freely available on other sites of the net”. Then please show me the sites … I haven’t found a core source of information that gives exactly these informations that the PTM or PFTM series have collected.
A side note:
I wished there has been less errors in the Slides and Presentations. I came along plenty of typos, writing errors, number errors and so on. But this still doesn’t disqualify the contents of the video series.
If you know any better sources then please edit your review and add the links there so we can follow them and make up your own mind.
This is a really bad review, not well researched & full of inaccuracies. You even got the name of the company wrong in the summary. Anton argues strongly against day trading, get rich quick etc so it’s unfortunate that he’s been mentioned in that context because it’s totally the opposite to what he says or what the PTM teaches. My guess is you have not taken the course at all.
I agree he can be a bit flashy but I think you have him pegged wrongly. Watch this video where he points out his and his instructors verifiable work history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7G0OfJUON8
Here you can check his register history with showing his positions held at Goldman, Lehman and JP Morgan. He is certainly no Tim Sykes.
https://register.fca.org.uk/ShPo_IndividualDetailsPage?id=003b000000LURNxAAP
Anton has put out on eye-opening video on the retail trading industry from the top to the bottom and exposes the behind the scenes workings of the industry that cons retail traders into daytrading scams.
It was posted last week and then taken down after some legal threats he got from trading educators. He has since reposted it after consulting with lawyers and being assured there is nothing illegal in it. Hopefully it stays up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7G0OfJUON8
It’s 2 hours long but worth watching. I know it’s just his way of selling his own education business by discrediting others, but it’s very informative and everyone should watch it.
Anton is right about the brokerages and their employees, generally. They read posts on trading forums but never share any information or interact with clients or the trading community beyond posting marketing material. They have a hidden agenda and remarkable lack of transparency.
Yeah it seems the brokers don’t do a lot of marketing under their own banner. It’s the trading educators who do the marketing for them.
The educators may appear to be independent operators but in reality they are the marketing arm of the brokerage industry since they get referral kickbacks and royalties from the customers they refer. It’s very well disguised because on the surface it appears as if the brokers have nothing to do with the lies and deceptive marketing and are just passively accepting the new customers that come their way. In fact they are incentivizing all the BS by maintaining IB contracts with the educators and requiring them to teach daytrading so as to rack up the most commission.
For anyone who can’t find it just google “Anton Kreil annihilates retail brokers and trading educators”
You hit the nail on the head. He is trying to discredit others in the industry as if he is the saviour to all who are ”Learning to trade” He’s clever to the naïve.
Watch the videos on youtube. Guys who want to become traders travel to the Caribean and learn the art of trading from Anton Kreil and his business associates. The newbie traders do not only pay for the course but have to cough up the money for the flight, the stay at the 5 star hotel, the 5 star meals and the vacation trips. The 2.999 dollar trading course is just the peak of the iceberg.
I just want a ride on Anton’s private spaceship.
Have heard it all in this crazy business. But Anton claiming a private spaceship…I roared with laughter.
hahaha. has he really claimed that, what a cunt. I only watched one of his videos for 2 minutes until I smelt the rat and had to turn off.
Hey guys. David Perlin, former MD of Goldman has joined the Institute as a senior mentor. NYC HF Guy has presented perfectly the strategy for validating any and all claims made by Anton and the Institute, for those seeking truth. By the way, if you attend a seminar you would know this, but you weasels are probably too scared to approach this organisation after trashing them, fortunately enough for me. A seminar doesn’t cost $250, they are more in the $20-$50 range…. what do you expect from covering the cost of keeping experienced professionals with proven track records in the midst? Case in point: Institute mentor Hichem Djouhri; you are one google away from seeing his publicly available statistics.
Good luck in life champs, hope this website works out better than your pathetic trading careers.
Regards,
Callum King.
For fucks sake when are people going to wake up! say you go to a seminar and pay $20-30 or whatever it is. You have just wasted that money to potentially get sucked into paying the $2–4000 or whatever the cost for the education bullshit. that’s what the seminars are for you fool, to entice the gullible idiots in like yourself.
This man is in a industry rampant with fraud. He can probably manage risk and pass on his knowledge to students, but there must be a way for perspective students to evaluate if the lessons will create a way for them to earn money trading eventually. The knowledge has to have the end result of making money managing risk as a trader. If you feel asking for his trading performance is too much then how about the success rate of past students. There really should be something. This is my opinion and there doesn’t have to be mud slinging. If an educator truly cares about their students which their sales pitch states then is that too much to ask. Provide something to allay the fears of many.
Actually, I have access to a Bloomberg terminal. And I am quite familiar with Anton’s career. The big question is why would a supposed multimillionaire trader be schlepping a trading course to retail traders? And has anyone ever audited his trading results? And the bit about taking a rocket ship to outer space?
Plenty of smoke here. Would be happy to draft a new review, but it needs to be based upon actual performance.
Can you imagine if Anton Kreil were to march himself into the office of Carl Icahn? What would be the first question that Carl would ask? Lets see your performance…
OK well im not bothered by it as much as you clearly are (for whatever reason).., your paragraph on his “claims” is written falsely because they’re obviously not “claims” as they are true. If you do have access to a Bloomberg Terminal (I don’t see you on there) then you would know the “claims” are true as per the screenshot above. So now i’m wondering why you would actually misrepresent, lie and sensationalize?
Whats in your article about his career “claims” is written to create sensationalism. Also it looks like he left JP Morgan in 2007 which would make him 28. So your 25 number is factually incorrect also;-
From your article;-
– “He claims to have worked the next 4 years as an equities trader with truly marvelous success. Word of his amazing trading abilities spread quickly throughout the world’s trading communities. At 24, he claims to have been recruited by Lehman Brothers, where he worked for 2 years, and built the “number one in the world ranked European trading operation.” He then claims that he then joined Lehman Brothers and then JP Morgan where he went on to earn millions of dollars.
When he was only 25 years old, he became disillusioned with the world of international finance.”
– “the supposed trading guru is just a charlatan” – How can he be a Charlatan if it is 100% true that he was a Trader at Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers and JP Morgan?
– “Anton Kreil claims to have managed one of the largest trading desks in the world” – His resume doesnt say this on Bloomberg or LinkedIn – Where are you getting this “claim” from? This is a “claim” from you that he has said that it seems? Where is the source you referenced?
– “The big question that prospective consumers of Anton Kreil products need to ask themselves…if Anton Kreil is a registered investment advisor, does this also mean that he is a millionaire and a world class trader? My mother has a registered investment advisor that advises her, and has worked at JP Morgan for 20+ years.” – Well you said it yourself. You are well aware of Anton’s career and you have access to Bloomberg. So how can you make the claim or suggest that he wasn’t a trader / World Class trader when you yourself know he was?
From your last reply…,
– “The big question is why would a supposed multimillionaire trader be schlepping a trading course to retail traders?” – You seem to like the phrase “The big question” – it’s not really a big question. The answer is simple.., because passing on his knowledge is easy and it makes money? do you not like people who make money?
“And has anyone ever audited his trading results?” – yes, obviously Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers and JP Morgan. Otherwise they wouldn’t have hired him to be a trader, promoted him and paid him bonuses. His career is public on Bloomberg and you know the answer to this as you have said yourself. You have access to Bloomberg and you are well aware of his career.
“Can you imagine if Anton Kreil were to march himself into the office of Carl Icahn? What would be the first question that Carl would ask? Lets see your performance.” – It amazes me why firstly you think you are on the level of Carl Icahn and Anton would give you (Emmett Moore) his track record.., why do you think Anton owes you his track record? Who are you?.., Second.., why you would think that all traders want investors money? Maybe he just doesn’t want to be a manager of Carl Icahns money or a manger of anyone elses money?
– “And the bit about taking a rocket ship to outer space?” – No idea about this.., but if he did buy a ticket from Virgin / Branson then he has a ticket to go to the game. If not then its a lie. But i think he probably has the money to do it.
– “Plenty of smoke here. Would be happy to draft a new review, but it needs to be based upon actual performance.” – So basically any Trader that has been proven to have worked as a trader for Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan and who doesnt show you Emmett Moore their track record…, according to you is not a trader? This just doesnt make any sense.
I think you are risking being sued here. There are a lot of misrepresentations, mis-truths, inaccuracies and defamatory comments in your article about him that are clearly designed to sensationalize and hurt his reputation intentionally. I hope you have deep pockets. I’m not sure what it is like outside the U.S. but inside the U.S. this is a classic civil defamation suit and it would cost you big time in court.
Thats enough from me. Im too busy for this… good luck!
Are u his Fuc@ buddy
Would really love to know Emmett’s thoughts on this reply. I hope NYF HF Guy didnt shut Emmett up because there’s no respond from him at all
I took the FOREX masterclass on the website for 1500(one month access). Plan on taking one on equities. Great video series and tons of information. Top down macro approach with all the information you need from how to organize in excel to how to develop a trading plan and managing leverage. Gives all the ins and outs. Great lesson that I will keep with me rest of my life. Recommend it.
Glad to read that you found it valuable. I am a bit skeptical of Anton.
hey adam,
how you finding the forex one? are you able to do the spreadsheet on your own?
I am late to this discussion, but I have to say this guy truly intrigued me after reading the review. I became obsessed with trying to figure out if this guy is the real deal. Let me explain, I worked at a large institution on the trading floor and this guy described the trade process at these large banks perfectly. Now I know all this means is that he may have worked in sales and trading. I also watched many of his videos and this guy seems to know what he is talking about when it comes to risk controls and more. What I am trying to get at is this guy had me lured in to watch these videos and try to find a crack in his sales pitch.
What I realized is this guy is a master salesman, maybe the best I have ever seen. This does not mean he can teach someone to trade profitably especially if there is no verified trading performance. I worked on a trading floor right out of college in production. Then I moved into trading for myself and failed miserably for many years. My point is if I had a hard time sifting through the shop talk then a brand new person with zero knowledge looking to change careers are really up against the wolves. What I have said here is nothing new, but I hope it helps new traders realize they must learn as much as possible on their own and be skeptical of EVERYONE. It takes many years for most to just turn a profit, let alone live the life the new genre of trader porn is trying to portray. I’m sure there is always the rare genius that finds a statistical edge to exploit without years of ups and downs, but that is definitely a rare occurrence.
I have to admit. I know all these penny stock rooms and trading rooms claiming ridiculous performance numbers are bogus, but I have found myself just watching the trader porn because it just shocks me that there are guys making these videos like they truly are great traders. I started enjoying the exotic locales, the sports cars and the new ways for these operators to lie. It has become a new form of entertainment for me. That doesn’t say much about my personal life. Anyway, great work! New genre in movies…..Trader porn. Can’t make this stuff up.
HF Guy,
It’s great you know how to use a Bloomberg Terminal that sets you apart from the other thousands of employees with access to one. Just to clarify, I stated that the man, from the little I can gather from watching some videos, obviously knows what he is talking about. I also stated that he intrigued me because he is also a very good salesman. I just think one has to be very careful in a cesspool of frauds out there before paying for an education that may or may not be worth the money. I don’t know what made you attack Emmett, me or anyone else that should ask for some type of proof before putting up that type of money. I think that is great advice for any new trader just starting to trade. Realistic expectations are key to the ability to make through the lean months and years. I wouldn’t attack the man personally and I didn’t, but you obviously have some issues with criticism. I believe with 99% of these educators being outed for defrauding students healthy skepticism is warranted. By the way, if researching someone on Bloomberg constitutes research then your research must be the edge every fund is looking for. Next time attack someone that refers to this man as a a fraud. Where as I clearly stated this man knows the business. Does your research include reading English?
agree 100%. also the fact is that if and when you become a constantly profitable trader, it takes years of blood sweat and tears so why the fuck would anyone want to share their hard earned methods. I have been Trading for over 10 years and failed for 5 of those, there were times when I had to give up for a while just to get some money in. I wouldn’t be able to put a price on sharing what I have learnt over the years. I would be too scared that someone would try to package it up and sell it.
You can type “Space Shuttle Door Gunner” into your Bloomberg profile
So this site is all about getting hits and trying to generate adsense revenue. Sensationalism, exaggeration, lies and tailgating off peoples names seems like the business plan. This message from Emmett is in response to one of his questions was found in the “trading mentors” section;-
“Hi RV,
Thanks for the kind note. Seriously, its what keeps me moving forward.
Currently the site is monetized with Google Adsense, which is currently generating about a dollar a day. After I get 400 reviews up, the site should generate enough to pay staff to continue to monitor. The grunt work is off shored in the Phillipines to keep costs at a minimum.
The final result should be a self sufficient site where ad revenue is pooled and anyone that wants to write reviews, can serve a dual function of writing performance reviews and earning money by trading the best performing services. This system is working pretty well with my teenager, he trades a small account and gets to keep whatever is earned by matching the trades as per the room moderator. In exchange, he does the grunt work of time stamping the video and writing a summary than can be used for further reviews.
Emmett”
This guy Anton Kreil is arrogant and full of hot air. Working at Goldman’s as a junior corporate slave for a few years does not mean one can trade, let alone teach others to trade. He spends his time berating not just other trading educators, but then qualifications like the CFA. I think the irony is then lost on him that he himself has his own crappy trading seminars & courses which gives out little certificates (which no-one in the industry gives a shit about), whilst blagging his students that paying him £ thousands will give them a chance in the industry. He even tries to make his company sound like some official body. Get over yourself. Just another self-proclaimed trading guru.
Hey, but he taking a rocket ship into outer space!
I have been reading your reviews for quite a while now. I can not believe what horrible trading educators are out there and how misleading they are to the general public. How you can make it in months. When in fact it takes years to figure out different market cycles and certain market conditions that will last for months then just change on you in a flash rendering your style useless. I have to say that this review I stumbled on has me almost fooled in favor of the educator.
I worked at large investment bank for years in sales and trading and this guy is extremely accurate about his assessment of the industry then and now. He also seems to be very knowledgeable or at least can talk the game about trying to become a profitable trader, but that just shows you how easy a new trader with zero experience can be misled. I worked right out of college into sales and trading then I left to take risk for myself and failed miserably for years. I even tried a guru many years ago with all my experience and wasted money and months with a guy that probably never put on risk in his life. Even after all this, I was still mesmerized when I stumbled on to your review of this guy trying to read his lines and figure out if is he is telling any truths or is it all total bs. One thing I can say that this man is a master salesmen. One of the best I have ever seen if he is not really trading. What I can’t figure out is why are all these old pros now selling the dream? I think maybe 1 out of 1000 can be successful in months and sustain success without any blowups or very lean years.
Your reviews of these guys have me watching their you tube propaganda videos just for the entertainment. It really shocks me, especially the penny stock gurus trader porn. LOL. At least this guy may point you in the right direction, but that doesn’t mean anything. There should always be verified performance. I can’t believe the Feds are not doing more to enforce some truth when people are losing it all so someone can sell another dvd. This is truly the worst type of scam to push on people that lack the knowledge to know better.
Emmett, in all fairness to the guy, he WAS registered as an investment adviser with JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs and Lehman. https://register.fca.org.uk/ShPo_IndividualDetailsPage?id=003b000000LURNxAAP. You should correct that part of your article. Nevertheless, investment adviser is more of a salesman, hobnobbing with clients and so on – I very much doubt his role was to trade an X amount of money, hedgefund or CTA style – as his entire demeanor implies.
Darn, I missed that! Hate when I screw up.
Ok so you get that the IA is a license in general that all sales traders etc at banks need to get. All of them. I don’t know you nor do I know Anton but I did look at your twitter and you are a bit of a chunky slob for starters. Instead of pretending to know what you’re talking about just say “I don’t know” – the best part about all of this is that you spent your free time ‘saving others’ when you yourself have a mentor program. I’ll tell you this, and I have never taken this course from Anton, but I would 100% choose him over you since he actually did it at a real level. Work out that inner resentment you have, maybe hit the gym and finally, get back to fucking work, you’re not getting paid to be a ‘detective’.
Lol. Actually, I enjoyed your comment. Agreed, need to drop a few pounds.
Not everyone is going to agree with my opinion. And I respect yours.
Second posting of this, I assume it did not get through approval – cannot think why? If ignored again, I will use other means to expose the lies in this review and Vlad.
Before discussing the Institute, let’s get one thing straight – this is clearly Vlad’s review, not Emmett’s.
It is also clear that Vlad offers mentoring for 550 euros a month on his site;
http://www.jltrader.com/mentoring/
What are his credentials? Does it not seem odd that he appears to spend the vast majority of his time on Twitter trying to ‘crack down’ on ‘trading Gurus’?
His “verified performance” is essentially -1% a month on average YTD, with the helpful disclaimer below;
Disclaimer: Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results
We all go through draw downs, but charging for mentoring and offering a 9-month track record averaging -1% a month as proof? Are you serious?
Also anyone even remotely serious about trading knows MyFxBook is rubbish and easily faked (hey, maybe Vlad’s real performance is -2% a month?!) – try using something like FundSeeder perhaps; founded by everyone’s favourite author, Jack Schwager.
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Going back to the Institute, I am quite surprised at this attempt to knock them. Each and every one of their mentors has held professional trading positions at large institutions, it does not take a lot of research to find that out. Who would you rather learn from, the usual tripe you post about on here – i.e. the day trading room clowns – or those that have actually worked for Hedge Funds and Investment Banks?
I have taken both of their courses, and each provides a pretty in-depth framework to trading the Global Financial Markets. Each video series is geared towards ensuring the student understands the fundamental principles behind the trading approach; providing systematic processes for trade idea generation, followed by frameworks to help time trades and manage risk effectively.
Both courses are 30+ hours in length and go pretty deep into various aspects of trading, if Anton was wanting to ‘con’ people, do you think he would put that much effort into it? The easy way would be to create a noddy 5-hour DVD course on candle-stick patterns, or whatever else it is these day-trading rooms promote. Instead Anton teaches a very professional approach to the markets.
Only an imbecile would compare what the Institute offers to the other nonsense you write about on here, in particular the day trading rooms that are very very questionable at best.
Look at the various mentors they have – in fact, let’s look at one of the most recent hires;
Tristan Edwards has worked at Brevan Howard (very fucking big Hedge Fund) and was hired by Trafalgar Capital Management (very fucking big Hedge Fund) in 2007 to manage a significant amount of capital based on his track record;
http://www.hedgeweek.com/2007/05/01/trafalgar-expands-trading-presence-australasia
He also started his own Hedge Fund with over $100 million under management in 2013, which you can Google and read about for yourself.
Or what about Raj Malhotra who was the head of Index Trading at Nomura and Bank of America etc?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/raj-malhotra-a0477625
He has/had his own column on CNBC which details his past trading career;
http://www.cnbc.com/raj-mahal/
Are CNBC lying?!
I could go on and discuss Chris Cathey, Gregoire Dupont and Jason McDonlad – but time is precious.
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The two links you provide on “rip off report” are fully responded to by Anton, you can actually read his reply and then the statement that follows from the individual who made the complaint. All seems pretty fair to me, you will always get individuals who buy a product and then dislike it for whatever reason; hell people buy Ferrari’s and iPhones or whatever and then send them back for various reasons. You cannot please everyone.
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I have already wasted too much time writing this, but the entire reason for the review is clear; to promote Vlad’s mentoring programme. I wonder if Emmett gets a commission, or was he perhaps duped by Vlad into writing this?!
I dont know Vlad. But I think his writing is very fair. My original article was much more critical, but Vlad actually helped me tone it down a bit.
Look, the trading educational space if filled with all sorts of puffery and nonsense. Part of the review is to get the educator, mentor, system developer, etc to step up and show some sort of track record. The Linked profiles that proclaim connections are pointless. The CNBC shills are pointless as well.
However, am always willing and able to draft a new review. If Anton is the real deal, then he should have no problem giving his audience some sort of performance record. If he is not, then how is Anton any different than the rest of crowd?
Anton is a world-class salesman. Really, truly. His marketing game is “bright and shiny objects”. Social media glitter. All the sizzle, but none of the steak.
One must wonder why these former fund hotshots are with this “institute” selling mentorships and dvds for the public. A former trader turned comedian. Why aren’t they retired or still with those funds? You could take a course on investing fundamentals or basic firm accounting at a local community college and learn to pick stocks as well or better than Cramer which isn’t saying much. Preston James used to have testimonials of Jon Najarian on his defunct options mastery site too.
The point was clear; Vlad charges 550 euros a month for mentoring…. Why should anyone pay him 550 euros for mentoring?
It strikes me as a much more worthwhile question than questioning what the Institute offers – from individuals who have worked at Hedge Funds and Banks.
Regardless, this is clearly a waste of my time – best of luck in your trading.
No censoring.
The only time a comment does not pass is when someone is selling porn, pills, or politics.
Heck, I even let anyone come onto the site and pitch their trading products. TradingSchools.Org wide open. But you better not have thin skin or act like a whiny baby, the mob can be brutal. So go ahead, pitch your products and services, I could care less.
You did not print my comment on the Open Range Trading page when I replied to that Alex guy.
I think that the last 10 years has demonstrated that the financial industry is without any moral compass and they are as close to thieves as it is possible to be. Being hired by these criminals and thriving in that environment makes you a perfect candidate to participate in further criminal scams. Anton and his shills should put up or shut up.
All I can say is you are named appropriately. Gee you are off. Defending con artist. What a sad world we live in. And what possible issue you got with Vlad. It seems to me you are the one that just promoted Vlad even though I think you did not mean to.
Jesus Christ, is that really your reply? What a complete waste of my time =D
Best of luck to you all in your trading
No Geoff, I think you are mistaken about whose time you have wasted with your posts. The same thing is being asked of the Institute of Trading as has been asked of everyone reviewed on this site. Where is the proof of your claims, where are your trading stats?
Gosh and I was trying to be nice. Already got enough fights with mindless shills, so I went easy and this is my reward. No nice guy next time.
Hey Geoff, or should I say Anton Kreill, why did you blocked me on Twitter just for sharing a link to this article? Let me clear the air for you:
1. I didn’t tell Emmett to write this article and the help I’ve given him was to point out that Anton (you) did in fact hold those roles at the 3 IBs. I’m all for exposing charlatans, but I want it to be done on facts.
2. I don’t have any commission sharing scheme or any other arrangement with Emmett – what I’m selling is a time consuming service, not an automated product that can’t be mass marketed
3. I’m first to admit that the performance this year is poor. But it’s live and verified – something that 99.5% of gurus out there (including you, Anton) don’t have. Also unlike you, I don’t have trader porn on my site. Ps: if you think you can fake Myfxbook with an FCA regulated broker, I dare you to prove it. Moreover, what kind of moron would go to all the trouble to fake performance in order to show a negative one?!
Once you read actual trade performance, per the calls that the gurus make, (just judging the calls using historical data after their calls, not even real trades), it is pretty clear that credentials of any kind mean diddly-squat when it comes to trading the markets.
See dome performance results right here. ref: https://www.cxoadvisory.com/gurus/
The statistics make the point.
I learned a long time ago most of these top people at brokerage houses do not get there based on trading performance. They get there based on ability to sell. They are great sales people thus make the company money.
@ Idiots Anonymous You have an appropriate name. Emmett has a mentor program? Or were you referring to Vlad? More evidence that you are aptly named. How can exposing another charlatan like Anton Kreil make you so hostile? I smell shill.
Before discussing the Institute, let’s get one thing straight – this is clearly Vlad’s review, not Emmett’s.
It is also clear that Vlad offers mentoring for 550 euros a month on his site;
http://www.jltrader.com/mentoring/
What are his credentials? Does it not seem odd that he appears to spend the vast majority of his time on Twitter trying to ‘crack down’ on ‘trading Gurus’?
His “verified performance” is essentially -1% a month on average YTD, with the helpful disclaimer below;
Disclaimer: Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results
We all go through draw downs, but charging for mentoring and offering a 9-month track record averaging -1% a month as proof? Are you serious?
Also anyone even remotely serious about trading knows MyFxBook is rubbish and easily faked (hey, maybe Vlad’s real performance is -2% a month?!) – try using something like FundSeeder perhaps; founded by everyone’s favourite author, Jack Schwager.
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Going back to the Institute, I am quite surprised at this attempt to knock them. Each and every one of their mentors has held professional trading positions at large institutions, it does not take a lot of research to find that out. Who would you rather learn from, the usual tripe you post about on here – i.e. the day trading room clowns – or those that have actually worked for Hedge Funds and Investment Banks?
I have taken both of their courses, and each provides a pretty in-depth framework to trading the Global Financial Markets. Each video series is geared towards ensuring the student understands the fundamental principles behind the trading approach; providing systematic processes for trade idea generation, followed by frameworks to help time trades and manage risk effectively.
I know for a fact at least two individuals who have doubled their accounts after taking the courses, although I am sadly not one of them (very much a psychological issue for me; like telling obese people to eat less and exercise more, you can take a horse to water etc.)
Both courses are 30+ hours in length and go pretty deep into various aspects of trading, if Anton was wanting to ‘con’ people, do you think he would put that much effort into it? The easy way would be to create a noddy 5-hour DVD course on candle-stick patterns, or whatever else it is these day-trading rooms promote. Instead Anton teaches a very professional approach to the markets.
Only an imbecile would compare what the Institute offers to the other nonsense you write about on here, in particular the day trading rooms that are very very questionable at best.
Look at the various mentors they have – in fact, let’s look at one of the most recent hires;
Tristan Edwards has worked at Brevan Howard (very fucking big Hedge Fund) and was hired by Trafalgar Capital Management (very fucking big Hedge Fund) in 2007 to manage a significant amount of capital based on his track record;
http://www.hedgeweek.com/2007/05/01/trafalgar-expands-trading-presence-australasia
He also started his own Hedge Fund with over $100 million under management in 2013, which you can Google and read about for yourself.
Or what about Raj Malhotra who was the head of Index Trading at Nomura and Bank of America etc?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/raj-malhotra-a0477625
He has/had his own column on CNBC which details his past trading career;
http://www.cnbc.com/raj-mahal/
Are CNBC lying?!
I could go on and discuss Chris Cathey, Gregoire Dupont and Jason McDonlad – but time is precious.
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The two links you provide on “rip off report” are fully responded to by Anton, you can actually read his reply and make up your own mind. All seems pretty fair to me, you will always get individuals who buy a product and then dislike it for whatever reason; hell people buy Ferrari’s and iPhones or whatever and then send them back for various reasons. You cannot please everyone.
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I have already wasted too much time writing this, but the entire reason for the review is clear; to promote Vlad’s mentoring programme. I wonder if Emmett gets a commission, or was he perhaps duped by Vlad into writing this?!
Well the mentoring page has now been closed. Google throws a cached page:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vTy5WULC4V8J:www.jltrader.com/mentoring/+&cd=22&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
This is showing a LOSS of 9.84%. Vlad’s excuse:
Update: The account was opened in December 2015 and closed in October 2016 as Darwinex turned out to be totally different from what I believed it would be.
lol, darwinex is one of the best brokers and of a high integrity. the algos i developed racked up nearly 50% in 5 minth with 9% dd with 750 trades (so quite consistent), probably i should start mentoring. what. i make money trading why bother
Vlad, you seem to be nice guy, but with your -10% in a year you really have no clue about trading and shouldn’t give advice, mentoring or whatever you do.
Ever hear the proverb ‘Pot calling the kettle black’?
Kudos, I’ve been hoping you’d get round to this guy. Don’t know if you watched the Youtube videos where he pitches graduates in London, lot of nonsense in those too.
Another Tim Sykes mutant trying to woo buyers of his service by showing pics of girls, parties and cars. If he is so rich and successful as a trader, then why not offer all of his earning from video sales to charity and post the donation receipt on the CNN and newspapers.
Wow!! This reminds me of the saying why think small, GO BIG. I mean if you are going to be a con artist why do the shell game on the corner when you can sell sky scrappers you do not own.
This guy puts the small time con artist to shame. He is there new role model. In fact he should open up a education school for them so they can be the best con men they can be.
And you pointed out something interesting, this guy gets on a TV show. To a smaller extent, it reminds of future magazine that publishes Dean Handley articles with out checking anything. And I see other trading room con artist operators being brought on radio shows and publishing articles; again no one verifies they accomplish anything. They just take their word on it.
Just when I think this industry can not get any worst; it does.
Second Post.
I tried to post this earlier but it would not post. I think it was because it had hyperlinks in it
With respect Emmett. I think you are wrong on this one. I have just searched the UK FSA /FCA register and Anton is there and listed as having worked at the firms mentioned.
Furthermore I have checked Companies House and he was the Director of WK Partners which shows to be a fairly profitable company over the years it was active. Nature of that business was the letting of his own property.
He is now the Director of a Company called Floripa Amaral Limited. Albeit it not profitable at the moment but it was registered on the UK FSA/FCA register. Kreil was the individual and the principals were Wallwood Consultants.
He is now trading in Singapore under the company Jakubstadt Holdings Pte Ltd trading as Instutrade .
I will send my invoice in the post. 🙂
Correct. I second that. His full history is on the UK FCA record.
Respectfully i think the right thing to do would be to remove this review or at least the part which questions his employment history
I may be missing something but when I search www dot fca dot org dot uk / I get nothing at all for Anton Kreil. Here’s what I get from thr register:
Status: Inactive (Reference number AXK01212)
An individual (and some firms) previously approved to perform certain tasks in a regulated firm. Such individuals were described as “approved persons” and the tasks as “controlled functions”. For ‘inactive’ refer to home page.
Controlled functions – current
Controlled functions are the tasks that an individual (and some firms) must be approved for so they can perform them in an authorised firm. There are 2 reasons an individual may be shown as ‘inactive’. Either they are no longer approved by the FCA, or they may work for a firm subject to the new Senior Managers and Certification Regime, effective from 7 March 2016, which covers banks, building societies, credit unions and PRA designated investment firms. In these firms only Senior Managers are pre-approved. Firms now assess other functions such as Customer Functions (CF30s) (including retail investment advisers ). Individuals will show a current status of ‘Inactive’ on the register in these firms if they used to be approved by the FCA. If an adviser is not listed, or shown as ‘inactive’, and you would like to check their status, you should confirm this directly with the firm the adviser is currently working with.— The FCA have no record for controlled functions associated with this firm or individual. —
On that page towards the very end there is a tab called “History” with a check mark next to it. You click on it to expand the History column. That is where you will see all his work history
I could be wrong but I still smell bullshit. Reading the testimonials on his site it doesn’t matter which country the testimony come from, Norway, Germany or Finland they all have perfect written English complete with colloquial patterns of speech.
Every business or entity is guilty of some level of showmanship. Its become almost a right of passage for any Web 2.0 company or service to exaggerate testimonials and hype up their services.
He needs to sell the dream because there are always dreamers looking to buy. That’s where the fish swim ergo that’s where to fish. having said that it does not mean what’s being sold is rubbish. In this case there certainly is at the very least ‘some value’ to the learnings from someone who has been a professional trader working for some of the biggest firms in the world. Whether a person would become profitable or not is however a separate point
Would you mind putting the links to the testimonials from finland and norway?
Thanks
You need to click on History for previous controlled functions. It’s all there
Thanks I found it. Wallwood dotcom is interesting. For a start Mario Kelly looks like he belongs in the Mob rather than the financial industry. Eliot Wilkinson looks like he’s thinking more about how he can get his rocks off at Prom than tracking financial investments. As for fees, 2% per annum and 20% of any profits. I’ve dealt with these type of thieves before. I “invested” $55,000 with a similar type of firm from the UK more than 15 years ago, today my $55,000 is worth $9,000. These guys are as bad as Wells Fargo and worse than trading room operators.
The company is a healthy company. Check them out at
companies house in the UK at
beta dot companieshouse dot gov dot uk
Second Post.
With respect Emmett. I think you are wrong on this one.
I have just searched the UK FSA /FCA register and Anton is there and listed as having worked at the firms mentioned. https://register.fca.org.uk/ShPo_IndividualDetailsPage?id=003b000000LURNxAAP
Furthermore I have checked Companies House and he was the Director of WK Partners which shows to be a fairly profitable company over the years it was active. Nature of that business was the letting of his own property.
He is now the Director of a Company called Floripa Amaral Limited. Albeit it not profitable at the moment but it was registered on the UK FSA/FCA register. Kreil was the individual and the principals were Wallwood Consultants.
https://register.fca.org.uk/ShPo_firmdetailsPage?id=001b000000NMiWYAA1
He is now trading in Singapore under the company Jakubstadt Holdings Pte Ltd trading as Instutrade .
I will send you my invoice in the post. 🙂
Those comments in the photos make him seem like a jackass. I wouldn’t even want to enlist in his courses even if he was a break-even trader and I was a newb.
A lot of successful people in the trading realm or for that matter most successful people in any line of business tend to be cocky and full of themselves. Something about sheer determination to be better than anyone else and the strong driving force to succeed and be the best brings out the worst in some people.
Oh my. I am totally gobsmacked at this review.
I really thought Anton Kreil was a retired trader. He was supposed to be going up in space in a Rocket to make the first ever currency trade in space for the Guinness Book of records as the first Trader in Space to make a trade. How gullible am I.:( It will be interesting to hear his rebuttal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzux0_H9jjA&list=PLgkIIrU8IVHHUEHDn3T0xBUNZIgR-eBKM
Hmm. Not so sure about this review. He’s been associated in the past with a lot of genuine traders including Richard Farleigh from Dragon’s den who’s one of the top richest Australians as well as Lex Van Dam. And his seminars on the workings of Goldman Sachs and the banking industry seems a little too comprehensive and not rehashed. If he was a scammer than his execution would make Tim Sykes look like an amateur, yet i don’t think he stands out as a braniac con-artist.
But as with all things in this industry i’m sure there is a good amount of exaggeration and fluffery. Goldman Sachs hires a lot of interns, especially at the age-group that he claims to have worked. He might have had a few internships at these top banks and used this as leverage.
@ Simon Watfa, Sure, but there’s a huge difference between making your millions upon millions through your own personal trading and being paid millions upon millions to work at a bank and then taking those millions and bank rolling other people’s ventures. Warren Buffett is the first type and Richard Farleigh is the second type.
“bank rolling other peoples ventures” ??? – you mean investing in someone elses company? aka investing? isn’t that the same as what Warren Buffet does?
Oh man, if this is true this has to be one of the biggest busts you guys done so far.