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Want to learn the trading secrets of a 21 year old Forex trading millionaire? How to quickly buy your first Lamborghini with easy Forex trading profits? Then you really need to learn about the fantastic and fantasy lives of Amy Sangster and Lewis Mocker. Where money is never a problem and the world is their oyster! For only $549 you can now learn all of their trading secrets.
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What is Infinite-Prosperity? Infinite-Prosperity is a Forex education website that specializes in turning young people into Forex trading millionaires! The site was founded by Amy Sangster, Robert Himler, and Lewis Mocker. A quick review Archive.Org shows Infinite-Prosperity.com began marketing in 2012.
The Infinite-Prosperity.com website originally came onto my radar this past summer, 2015. One of the things I like to do is maintain a massive list of all of the trading educators on the internet, then I pass the list through several software programs that measure and estimate the amount of web traffic that each website is likely receiving. In addition to the estimated web traffic, I also measure that amount of keywords that the website has ranked on Google page one. Once I know the estimated traffic and the keywords ranked on Page one of Google, then I can estimate the value of the web traffic as well as the general interest from the viewing public.
Suppose that a website ranks first for the keyword “FX Trading”, what you are probably not aware is that 12,000+ people are searching Google each month for this exact keyword. This traffic is valuable, in fact, advertisers are willing to pay approximately $18.50 per click for anyone that searches this exact keyword, and then clicks on the advertisers ad. Why am I telling you this? Because the Infinite-Prosperity.com website is currently ranking very high for some of the most valuable keywords relating to Forex trading. In fact, I would estimate that their crappy looking little website is generating approximately 50,000 visitors each month. This is very impressive. Of all of the websites that I currently rank, monitor and write reviews…Infinite-Prosperity.com is always ranking towards the top of the list. Pretty amazing actually. As each month passed, I kept seeing their numbers consistently high, and I found it really perplexing and interesting on how they were able to generate so much web traffic. This review is as much about their marketing efforts as it is about their trading product.
Lets talk about the trading product
Firstly, one of the things you will notice about the Infinite-Prosperity website is that there is very little talk about trading Forex. There is very little talk about the trading educational program. In fact, I had to dig around to find the price of $549 for the educational product. In addition to the trading course priced at $549, there is also a monthly advisory at $60 per month. However, there is no talk of trading performance whatsoever. There is no live trading room, nearly zero trading charts, no talk of economics, or the driving forces relating to the Forex markets. The Infinite-Prosperity website is simply devoid of actual Forex information or relevant news stories. It all seemed so odd to me that this Forex trading website is receiving so much traffic regarding Forex trading, and yet has nearly nothing useful regarding the trading of Forex. What is going on here?
And then if dawned on me. That pale and barely useful light bulb in my head suddenly flashed inside of my barely functioning mind. They are not selling a Forex trading product. They are selling a lifestyle, they are selling imagery, they are selling a fantasy. A fantasy life of make believe Forex trading millionaires. The Infinite-Prosperity website barely talks about Forex, and it spends zero time talking about market moving events, economics, or anything complicated whatsoever. This website has been custom tailored to appeal to the ultimate day trading newbie. They are targeting the person with nearly zero financial experience, zero trading experience, nearly zero understanding of market function. They are targeting the get rich quick, highly superficial, dull minded nitwits that are easily tricked by pretty pictures and fantastical stories.
I have to give these three charlatans a lot of credit. They are doing a great job at selling the dream. Lets take a look at the marketing efforts that they have employed.
The First Con Job
It appears that the first coordinated fraud of Amy Sangster, Robert Himler, and Lewis Mocker originated with the website FarFrom.It. This website appeared back in 2011 and was part of a marketing effort to sell an ebook titled: Far From It. This little ebook was sold on the well known affiliate marketing website ClickBank. The little ebook tells the story of Robert Himler and Amy Sangster and how they went from being a couple of “broke kids” to Forex trading millionaires. You can find the book for free floating around the internet. Its just a short little marketing piece of fantastical stories of making millions of dollars trading Forex and how these profits allowed them to buy houses all over the world and purchase exotic sports cars.
The ebook also references out to a YouTube video of Amy Sangster supposedly picking up her brand new Lamborghini Gallardo, which she apparently paid nearly $200,000 in cash earned from Forex trading. The video is sort of cute and I am sure very inspiring for the dull minded nit wits that fall for this type of marketing.
Great piece of marketing. And notice how the video links out to Infinite-Prosperity.com. What I find really impressive is that they have been able to generate over 9,000,000 views on You Tube. Think about that a moment…9 million views. And all of that traffic is pointing back to Infinite-Prosperity.com. Once the sucker arrives at Infinite-Prosperity, they then see the following marketing piece…
I am sure that most of readers are looking at this and having a good laugh. However, think about it for a moment. Suppose you are some 16-24 year old kid that spends his day’s playing Xbox and watching the Kardashians reruns. This type of marketing is going to really hit home. For only $549, they can purchase a Forex trading course and turn their meager fast food paycheck into millions of dollars. With a little effort and these Forex trading secrets, they too can also purchase a Lamborghini at age 22. Great marketing folks. But the thing that Amy never mentions is that the car is just a prop that Robert Himler got from his friend “David”. The real owner of the cars can be found here. Robert simply uses the access to these cars as a marketing prop.
With the huge marketing success of putting the Forex trading millionaire Amy Sangster in that clever marketing piece, Robert couldn’t help but produce another fantastical video of Amy driving an Audi R8. The following video is Amy supposedly picking up her brand new $120,000 sports car, of course it was purchased from her Forex trading profits.
Pretty clever video. This video got 1.6 million views…all pointing back to Infinite-Prosperity, and how Amy earned her millions of dollars trading Forex.
All of this is really clever marketing. And I have to give a lot of credit to Robert Himler, he appears to be the creative genius behind all of this marketing effort. In fact, he has a website that you can view at RobertHimler.com. If you spend a moment on his website, he talks about his recent graduation from Full Sail University, where he earned a Bachelor’s degree in web design and development. The guy is very talented and really understands marketing, imagery, and perception. It appears that Robert Himler has figured out that effectively selling a Forex trading education is more about selling the dream, than providing an authentic educational experience.
So lets take a closer look at this fantasy world that Robert Himler has created…the images below are all carefully crafted imagery that portrays Amy Sangster as a globe trotting, multimillionaire Forex trader. Notice in the images that there is very little relation or reference to Forex trading, rather there is an extreme focus on expensive items; cars, jewelry, travelling, shopping, fancy food and upscale hotels. All of this is tailor made sucker bait that is channeled out over social media and email with the sole purpose of driving people into spending $549 for Amy’s Forex trading secrets. As you click through these images, just imagine the amount of time that was spent in the careful curation of these images. Pure fantasy world. Don’t you want to be Amy?
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If you looked at these images, notice how there is no mention of Amy’s Forex trading. Robert has decided to keep all of the focus on the glamour and the wealth that the sucker will accumulate after purchasing Amy’s Forex trading secrets. Brilliant marketing. Also have a sneak peak at Amy’s personal website where she gives us a glimpse of her fantasy lifestyle. Lets now take a look at the imagery and fantasy world of Amy’s trading partner, Lewis Mocker.
The Fantasy World of Lewis Mocker
If you enjoyed looking at the very pretty Amy Sangster, and her fantasy world of easy Forex profits, then you are going to really enjoy her little buddy Lewis Mocker. Apparently Lewis is yet another Forex trading millionaire that spends his days travelling the world, shopping, enjoying his wealth and quoting Tony Robbins. Of course, neither Amy Sangster or Lewis Mocker have any verifiable track record of ever earning a nickel trading Forex. But who cares!? As long as they can pump out these carefully created images, take pictures of themselves driving cars that they do not own, and filling our heads with talk of positivity, then perhaps we will forget all about asking for their trading records.
Ok, so now you got a taste of Amy, now lets take a look at the other half of this Forex day trading, dynamic duo. Have a look at the wonderful and magnificent fantasy life of Lewis Mocker…
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If you looked at these images, you can see how well crafted and thought out these images are produced. Notice Lewis jumping on his bed, happily celebrating another winning day of day trading Forex, and his fancy cars, and pictures of Lewis out shopping, and drinking champagne, and travelling with his girlfriend to exciting destinations. But no talk of Forex trading. Instead, the images of both Amy and Lewis are all slowly dripped out over different social media channels, which of course attract a lot of young, naive people. If you are looking for some great marketing ideas on how to sell a trading product, without actually doing any trading, then have a look at the Instagram pages of Lewis Mocker and Amy Sangster. If you need further torture, then have a look at the Facebook pages; Amy Sangster, Lewis Mocker.
Of course, if you contact Amy and Lewis directly and ask for any sort of proof of these magnificent million dollar trading profits, then they simply ignore or respond with some BS quote from Donald Trump or Anthony Robbins about avoiding people that are too negative and not willing to believe. Somehow, I felt like an apostate from the Church of Scientology. I was not willing to simply drink the cool aide and wanted proof of success, but you wont get it from Amy or Lewis. Instead, they will reference student stories like the amazing Benny Lane. Apparently, only 159 days ago, little Benny didn’t even know what Forex was. But he ponied up the $549 and in short order, only 159 days, he is now a full time Forex trader. Big profits are easy if you follow the teachings of Amy and Lewis. Have a look at this character. I am sure that next month, Benny Lane will have his own carefully constructed social media profiles and custom videos of Benny driving a convertible Porsche through downtown Honolulu. Hilarious nonsense for the sucker class.
Wrapping Things Up
Infinite-Prosperity is the very epitomy of what is wrong with the trading educational business. These carefully crafted and highly manipulative charlatans spend their days on nothing more than finding the next awesome image that can be posted on Instagram, or Facebook, or Twitter, or YouTube. There is no trading. No talk of trading. None of that messy, boring economics stuff. Who cares about that anyway? The only thing that matters is the next shopping trip to Rodeo Drive, the next vacation to Fiji, the next video of an expensive sports car. The only thing that matters is that new Apple laptop and laying in bed all day, displaying a Forex chart on a large screen TV, giving the appearance of trading success. And of course, the fantastical lives of Amy and Lewis can only get so outrageously wealthy and opulent, they must now foster in the magnificence of the students like little Benny. The wonder boy that become a full time Forex trader in only 159 days. Only a few months ago, little Benny didnt even have a car. But now he has the Forex trading secrets and is pulling in big bank from Forex. If little Benny can do it, then we can too! Pure nonsense.
What drives me the most nuts about these idiots? Its how they take these naive kids from the internet and feed them the false hope that they will be able to soon quit their day jobs and become full time Forex traders. Its pathetic.
Another thing that drives me nuts? As a father of a teenager, I am desperately trying to keep my son focused on getting good grades and moving on to college. Keeping his mind focused and learning and expanding, not getting himself caught up in the material world BS that people like Amy and Lewis are teasing and tempting. The real key to a successful life, and the path with the greatest chance at success is through the attainment of top level education. But people like Lewis and Amy send the message to these kids that education and learning is secondary, and that a short cut can be obtained by the purchase of some trading secrets.
Well, I will get off my soap box for now. Another review written about some really terrible people, with a really bad trading product. Please don’t forget to leave your comments below. Even the trolls and haters will find that their voices are heard.
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LOL! Looks like Mocker and Amy Sangster have parted ways since May of this year. Where he’d “resigned” from IP , https://www.facebook.com/LewisMockerIP/videos/my-resignation-from-infinite-prosperity/1172436222941450/
No wonder the IP site looked frozen/”under renovation” since this summer. (dead site since Dec. 2018: https://infinite-prosperity.com/ ) Well Amy got her new house (with the split off IP member churned profits, lol, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGU3nGoNgSI )attempted starting some other clothing or “wellness” gig. aaannd seems to have had a new bf within the past year or so. lol, one can imagine what drama happened…
My bet is IP is dead and no more IP Ball 2019, or a new one next year with in her new standout dress with new beau beside her. (old beta orbiter(s) dropped, lol!)
Lol, they’re still at it. I was curious how Amy Sanger & Lewis Mocker were doing. Wow, they could at least be decent web designers for lifestyle mags. From a review (https://daytradingz.com/infinite-prosperity/) the following updated info:
Number of members: 7,000+ , Price level: $497 to $1,999, Free trial: No, “Last in the offering is the Pro Trader Live Trading Sessions. Subscriptions are priced at $100 a month or $997 annually.”
The main website only has a blog section with articles. No wonder, per the review post by ManipulatedByIP where you now have to log on to their private facebook so they can keep their sham upselling private and members are moderated to keep the duping scam as privately internally churning as possible!, lol. And they’ve been continuing their web media influence. Her new websites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDeotvNY_84 ;Hey being a wellness glamour guru is fine if she can pull it off. But no way in heck are their displays of wealthy living due to trading for a living. It could be their IP forex scam is diminishing somewhat due to boiling point of duped newbs complaining outside. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Forex/comments/6s0dcq/thoughts_on_infinite_prosperity/dlydrsh/?st=jxu0erd9&sh=382fe0c4)Anyways, they must be one of the biggest , most glamorous shamshows ever, not just down under. Puts most all the other female vendor scammers to shame. Alla Peters of alphawave second up lol.
Hey David, Link your trading account to myfxbook dot com and show us proof of how great the IP program is. Come to think about it if it’s so great why haven’t Amy and Lewis linked their trading accounts?
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It is a known fact by most people who have taken the course that non of it works. They bring on affiliates that took their course to legitimize their course. There is a reason why you have reviews on amazon as it gives social proof, and that is the same reason they pay their affiliates. It is a known fact amongst the forex community that took their course, that amy and lewis as well as their large group of affiliates such as irek, benny, jonny godfrey, and their secretary robin, that they go onto forums such as babypips and create fake profiles to defend themselves and the business. Guaranteed most of the people commenting here are their group of affiliates making sure they can keep the wheel spinning, and pretending like they’re real students. Their facebook group for their students, is highly monitored, and anything that questions their ability is deleted. There is a whole group of us who were very vocal about their terrible course and strategies within the facebook group that spoke out that all got banned from the group. Let me make something clear, amy and lewis have never made a live trade ever. You
Thanks so much for coming out with the details of their scam. Yeah, pretty clever how they branched outwith affiliates just like the big-time scammer traducation organizations in the states. Similar to the “featurd speaker” shams on Tradersexpo they even bought themselves an article on Entrepreneur magazine , “content partner”, lol , (https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/325207) . yeah, dam right they never made real money from forex. Forex is tough enough to trade as it is with the dubious brokers malarky where you pretty much need to be a multi-millionaire already to trade big time cash forex. Otherwise stick to currency futures trading but they never mention that at IP, probably because it’s far easier to sell a forex dream to young adult dupes.
purchase the main course and than there is many other upsells and monthly subscriptions that are all garbage, but you don’t know that it doesn’t work because as a beginner, you believe that it is because you haven’t spent enough time working on it. What’s even worst is the fact that they try to mask all of their short comings with inspirational quotes or some self help motivational garbage. Every time you buy their garbage course or pay the subscription fee, you are essentially helping them keep the wheel spinning meaning funding the lambos and vacations so that they can continue using those pictures and vlogs to scam the next batch of naive individuals. These guys are just as bad as those astrofx guys (another huge scam) except you have amy and lewis hiding behind the “holy guru messiah” complex and they honestly believe they are above everyone else. Amys boyfriend is like 40 years old as she has serious daddy issues and lewis is an alcoholic. Remember that social media only shows you 5% of someones true self. I didn’t want to post this buy you could only see the large group of us that have connected through paying for this garbage and realizing what it truly was. There is tons of content on youtube that is 10 times more useful that is FREE.
I would love to connect with you, IP is a scam and I have a huge amount of dirt including their poster boy Tom calling IP a scam.
Glad you guys came out about IP. Hopefully someday the truth about the scam of IP will be widely known with the aussie feds or media doing something about their outrageous facebook forced registration tactics. Not gonna lie where Amy has the best glamour presence of any fem trading vendor out there edging out Alla Peters of alphawave by far putting to shame such as the “Stock Whisperier” and “Stock Swoosh” , “Dark Pools” shammer ladies. (https://www.amysangster.com/#programs )
I joined IP mid 2015 and as a student ill give you an honest NO BS review of the course. The content itself is okay. What i will say is that the mechanical strategies taught are not enough to make you a succesful trader. I have progressed through the 60$/mnth active trader program which teaches true price action and how to break down the market using multi time frame analysis. I am currently a Live Trader member and day trade with Irek the head daytrader. We have 2hr webinars 4days a week where Irek will break down the market and place live trades. There is no faking this.. If you have someone placing a trade right in front of you in a live market and it goes in the desired direction to bank profit that to me shows legitimacy. Not that anyone cares but i do bank consistent profits each month. Not because i followed thier trading strategy, but because i progressed as a trader. I do credit them for helping me through the journey however.
In summary:
1) IP is legit
2) NO trading mechanically will not make you rich.. to think this is ridiculous.
3) Is it worth it? To me it was. I joined ip to learn how to trade and now i dont see anything else id rather do than make consistent profits each month.
4) trading successfully is fucking hard. They do make it seem like its easy but in reality its not. I can see why some people have a negative view towards them because this does come off as being fake/scammy.
5) Success isnt achieved by taking a course.. its achieved through hours of practice and the right mentality.
You want an honest review? I can give you one.
There’s the technical side of the IP content and a psychological component.
Technical stuff can work, and allow a modest profit if you stick with it. Mainly because it’s nothing new, and has been repackaged by different trading schools with different names. Same shit, different people spouting it. What they teach in the basic program will only take you from the basement to the penthouse of you have an account size so big you can already buy the building. If you wanna build an account, it’ll take you years.
Psychology side of the program is a dumbed down, repackaged version of Trading in the Zone by Mark Douglas, written by someone with no credentials or qualifications to give that sort of advice to anyone.
Where they really start to get you is if you sign up for the “exclusive” day trading program, which is again, repackaged and rebranded technicals from much more successful traders and marketed as a magic bullet for success. Again, proven, time tested, and stolen from someone more successful.
That’s not all though folks, cause you can sign up for market breakdowns for $60/month, and if you’re in the “elite” day trading group you can pay another $80/month for access to the trading floor with the amazing people. All that for just another $140/month! On top of the $350 for “Silver” or $550 for “Gold, and if you’re “Elite” enough, another $1800 to be a “Platinum” day trader.
Although unless you’ve already shelled out the money to be in the Platinum group, don’t expect to get any sort of useful advice either. They just send you excuses or roundabout “you have to check that out yourself” responses. It’s almost like the people in charge don’t really have that much money to look after, seeing as no one can answer any question specific to tax law or financial advisors in any of the main countries these “Elite” traders operate from.
TLDR Version:
Technicals work because they’re stolen from more successful people.
Psychology information is good because it’s stolen from Mark Douglas, and seemingly re-written in crayon because words are hard.
Help for students? Only if you’ve paid extra.
Actual useful technicals that you can make a tidy profit (which are also stolen and repackaged from more successful people)? Only if you pay extra.
Transparency regarding results or real assistance regarding taxation, finance or trading large sums of money? Non-existent.
Average trading system. Poor service. People in charge trying to look rich. Move right past this one if you want something real.
lol the course has changed my life and made my trading 100x better so this whole article is irrelevant your completely wrong about everything
lol, first glimpse of IP “ball” 2016. And then their mega-yacht ride. have fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rmb2Kv6nMc&feature=youtu.be&t=7m29s
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCMywaIXyfrceBOud1riCBA
Three words: pointless, shallow and vacuous, but what else would you expect from the generation that have been raised in the age of (un)social media, (non)reality TV and the Kardashians.
Exactly. They continue to dole out these vacuous supposed rich lifestyle videos due to forex, as marketing lure which the review pointed out. They’re as bad as Fous where in the spam email they encourage college age kids to ditch higher education and trade forex instead with a bunch of shill videos on yt, pathetic.
Wow, you people are nutts, IP is a lovely course and I hold a lot of respect for Amy and Lewis. I guess some just want to cut them down because they are trying to help people like they helped me in so many aspects of my life. Pretty sad but also funny that people live their lives purposefully torturing themselves into the system. Just because something I try doesn’t work for me does not mean I will go around bashing it. Why? Because it might not be the truth for other people. Such a careless selfish act reserved for the child trapped in an adults body.
Have fun being sad.
@ Lane, Business must be suffering because the shills are out again. Read the review and the comments. The criticism leveled at them is because they claim huge successes but will produce no proof of the income they claim to earn through their trading. Perhaps you’d like to sen Emmett your redacted trading statements as proof that what they teach produces the results they claim it does. No? I didn’t think so.
Why don’t you think so? I have no problem with this, not that he deserves it.
Looking forward to hearing about those statements in the near future.
The problem is they make wild claims yet show no proof of their claims. You did hear about Bernie Madoff? My guess is you are a relative and want to defend these people. If they are so profitable then get them to show Emmett some proof. Gee Emmett just gave some TR operator 5 stars for showing all of 1 Months worth of proof; which IMHO is a ridiculously low standard. Surely they can do that; Right!
Sick people trying to influence the uneducated for personal gain. I need a shower after watching this total B.S.
Ok I get what you’re saying but please don’t fabricate me as a relative or a freind.
Honest feedback here:
– fx trader for many years.
– signed up to see what the fuss is.
– non trading material is great if your new! Not worth 300-500 dollars though.
– power and bounce strategies do not work. (Programmed the strategies to test for statistical significance. There is none so strategies long term do not work). But they want you to believe that it does without proof.
– any hedge fund or fx proprietry trading firm needs track record before they invest in anyone or anything. Its been mentioned no track record provided. No serious investor would go further.
– NO VERIFIABLE TRACK RECORD = stay clear.
– also conflict of interest as they are an IB to fxcm brokerage.
IP is a scam, Not one single person working with IP has ever produced any evidence of trading profits. Why would you listen to someone without seeing what they have made first…or else question how they have made it. Blows my mind. IP is a business, and that is what pays Amy and Lewis, NOT trading. Active trader is a business and that is what pays Paul Andre and Tom Russell, NOT trading. Its all bullshit. None of them have any experience working in the financial sector at all, and yet kids believe in the lie that they can quit there job, earn 10k a month trading the FX market with IP ‘s terrible trading strategy. Im sure IP lovers are reading this and think im full of crap blah blah blah but seriously ask yourself have you ever seen any of these so called Guru’s returns? you might say but Tom bought a Ferrari…AT paid for that. Lewis bought a Lambo..IP students paid for that, even the IP ball lol Christ, the student pay for all of that and IP reap the benefits its crazy.
Man , you are awesom , I knew That they are scammers because I m a forex trader , unfortunatly there are a big mass of victims , thank you for this amazing article , and I hope to expose them more and more
I cannot speak for the credibility of Infinite Prosperity, but I do find your reasoning a little “conspiracy theory” like.
Let me put a slightly different direction on the conversation.
I am an experienced engineer with multiple university degrees and certificates behind my name and years of experience in multiple industries. However, many of my close personal friends, who did not study after school, have achieved much greater success in life without a “helping hand” from anyone.
I sometimes resent my parents for pushing me into a professional career because they believed that it would provide me with financial security.
Times have changed in the world, and a university degree does not guarantee any “success” in life.
Sure, if your child is passionate about animals, and their dream is to be a veterinarian, they should definitely go to college.
But don’t be one of those parents who believes their kids MUST go to college or else…
David,
I am not sure what post you are even replying to, but statistically speaking on average individuals with a college degree makes more money than those without. Does that mean everyone with a college degree will be successful, obviously not. Does it mean everyone without a college degree will be unsuccessful, obviously not.
But recent you parents! You should get on your hands and knees and thank them. I to am an engineer by trade. And it is always good to have a back up to fall on. I know many college professions that eventually go on to do other things. I am now a business man, but I think my experience as a engineer is a big credit has it teaches you how to identify and solve problems.
The funny thing is I knew so many that came to work for the company that I worked for a long time ago and they did not have that sheepskin and due to that they could not get the promotions and raises they wanted even though they knew more than some of the engineers.
So you wanted parents that said, hey go out and wing it and forget about college? But want concerns me most is this is a site about day trading, which is scam industry. I sure hope you are not telling people they should quit college to become a day trader. Yea I know exactly what the success rate of that advice will be.
Good point. It would be ludicrous to suggest a young person fresh out of highschool or even in college age years whether graduated or still in college should be encouraged to ditch all other aspirations and try to go into daytrading. Yet this is what the cadre of young “whizkid” vendors pioneered by Sykes, then now the likes of WillStockpicks, IP and a host of other very young people vendors try to sell. As this site has proven over and over again, practically all of these vendors have stopped trading live once they got a business going with a monthly churn of fees from newbs. A handful have shown some live proof yet they can not really trade for a living and have to run a churn site as a breakeven live trader which may be of value to newbs starting out live without losing their shirt. If there are any trading the dream it would be like making it to nba all stars i.e. lotto chances. So far, any young folk who “make it big” turn out to be vendors selling a sham themselves. If they choose to be a sham site, so be it, but the TS movement will call them out.
Hey there, long time infinite prosperity student here!
not sure if anyone still checks this blog, but I thought I’d give my two cents.
I came across infinite prosperity almost 4 years ago when they were much smaller. For a few months I followed Lewis and Amy online and eventually bought their course.
At the time of buying, I was 17, so I was only able to trade a demo account until I turned 18. over that time I made a lot of mistakes, but quickly learned from them. I have now been trading for almost 3 years using their 3 basic strategies on a live account, now averaging 35% annually, compounding on my account size.
It’s sad that people have to create false reviews like this, slandering the creators personal lives instead of actually going through the course for a real review. I saw you mention in some other comments “if I bought every forex course I’d be broke”, but that doesn’t mean you can start reviewing courses without even trying them.
I’ve not only gained the skills to trade in the forex market, but I have gained so much knowledge about business, lifestyle, personal growth and so on just from following Lewis on snapchat and youtube and watching his mini lessons.You can follow him yourself on snapchat at loopylitez if you want, he responds to almost all personal messages.
Business must be bad, the shills are back. I wonder how Amy and Lewis could stop people like Emmett calling them out on their bullsh#t? If only there were some way to prove that they were legit and Emmett got it wrong? Wow! How about verified brokerage statements from them or from one of their shills. That would do it! It’s very strange, isn’t it, that when they were asked to provide proof of profitable trading they couldn’t and wouldn’t.
Good catch Stray. Indeed looks like these shills sneaked in while we were all needlessly distracted by mr. bar-by-bar rodgers. Also like all those buddies at the IP ball 2015/2016 came out to “vote” on this review. Maybe Gordon-Ray Freeman was their guest mentor of shamming honor.
Once President Trump and the CFTC read enough letters of complaint about charlatans like Infinite-Prosperity and Br–ks, widespread regulatory action will put these crooks out of business so fast your head will spin.
Yeah the Don and I are going to talk about it this weekend while eating tic tacs and petting kittens.
You think Trump gives a rip about this stuff? He is one of them, if not for settling his “Trump University” for 25 million he’d be playing checkers with Bernie Madoff.
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This is utter nonsense!
I am an fx trader myself, coached by Amy and Lewis and the rest of the IP team. I can tell you that I was extremely suspicious to begin with. However, after joining and being an IP student for over a year, I can tell you with certainty that this is no “scam”… These are honest, professional and last but not least exceptional trading mentors.
20 % of the IP course is focused on pure trading mechanics, technical analysis and risk management. The other 80 % is focused solely on the psychological aspect of trading. The reason for this is because 90 % of traders starting out loose 90 % of their capital withing the first 90 days (the “90-90-90″ rule” if you will).
The course, the mentors and the overall value of the course (free, silver, gold and platinum membership) is actually very good. I have tried different courses which have been way to bad (they don’t focus enough on psychology and risk management). So with Infinite Prosperity, I was pleasantly surprised with the exceptional quality. I am now a Platinum member and on my way to becoming a full time daytrader and I can absolutely advise anyone wanting to become a trader to give Infinite Prosperity a try!
This isn’t a scam, people.
I knew from day 1 that Amy, Lewis and Robert were charlatans. In fact I confronted Amy on-line about this when they launched and she did not refute. What you have failed to mention is that ALL of these FX trading courses and software are scams. No one makes consistent money “trading” FX. Institutions make money by taking a few bips out of client trades, with each executed trade matched by a counterparty.
well i guess than me quitting my job 3 months ago and now living solely off forex is one big lie. Thanks IP for giving me the knowlege and the foundation. Im sorry Emmett the course wasn’t for you, if you honestly thought it would just magically make you a good trader without putting any effort in.. shame on you. I’ve studied every day atlas two hours a day after work and now i have the freedom to work on my laptop wherever i choose to. its called hard work and dedication. not everyone is built to be a trader. clearly wasn’t for you. but for you to make up complete lies about lewis, amy and benny just shows your character because couldn’t be any further from the truth.. but people will believe what they want. you should put as much work in to this crap review into the course and probbalty wouldn’t be living your shitty life. sorry man
Thanks for the comment. Wish you the best!
All I have ever asked from Benny and Amy is to post live trading account statements so that the world can witness the truth. But they refuse. Kevin at WatchHimTrade.com posts his live account statements, every single day. So does Alex Soares. And so do many others….
Dustin, I am sure you are a nice young man. And I hope that things work out for you. Best of luck with your trading.
Oh, by the way, I am writing a review of a guy that does in fact trade Forex and he makes huge money(100% verified). Very nice guy. He sent me his last 3 years account statements. I hope that readers enjoy it. Finding verified traders that are willing to be transparent is what I am all about.
If it is Rob Booker and his ridiculous indicators one after the next like the Knoxville Indicator, I will lose all respect for you.
Boy oh boy the crew at infinite prosperity don’t give up easily nor do they have a very big playbook. The same old BS as before. “Look I became a multi millionaire in 3 months because of hard work and IP’s BS course.” Dustin please share your brokerage statements to support your claim so I can eat humble pie. Anyone who is desperate enough to believe dustin’s post should go to baby pips dot com for a boat load of free education or forex peace army dot com before you hand over your hard earned to people who make big claims but refuse to verify anything.
“quitting my job 3 months ago and now living solely off forex”. Yea I bet. Instead of motherhood statement it would be nice if these shills would actually state facts. Exactly what did Emmett say that was in error? Emmett says IP refuses to show any proof what so ever they trade profitably. Do you have evidence to the contrary. Present it. Do you have proof Amy bought that Lamborghini from her Forex profits?
This post is so obviously fake, I will not say much. You know what I might do if I get some free time is write an actual believable shill post so you guys at least can put together a thoughtful response. I will call it the, “Shill Model Post”. And I will even give you a little hint, even people who like a room still have some negative factors they will present along with the good factors and those negative factors are not things like he is grumpy (that is a shill negative factor).
In the mean time I am going to help you out here. Just to give you an example of what I believe to be a real unaffiliated person’s post read Emmett’s Robot thread and look at Ken’s response to my post and his description of the events in the room. Now that to me is a real person posting his experience in the room. Learn something from that!!!!!
The website looks like they are on track for the “IP Ball 2016” in AU. I am still mystified how they get all those people to appear like successful students. It reminds me of those old “australian lottery” junk snail mail letters in the past where they would show a photo of a bunch of lottery winners from all over the world smiling together. Another example is Marcello’s daytradingacademy where they show a team of “master traders”. what is going on here with these group photos. Is it just a bunch of friends? any clues Emmett or anyone? http://www.infinite-prosperity.com/why-us/student-results
Their students are complete sheeps, they’ll believe everything they say and follow them everywhere, paying few handreds dollars to go to a party and dress a suit doesn’t make you a successfull trader. I’ve been a platinium student and i regret, it’s complete bullshit a waste of money.
Recently they’ve been warned by the financial australian regulator to stop picking up the positive trades their exited beguiner student take in demo without saying it’s demo and without showing theloosing trades. If you say something negative in their FB etc… they’ll just ban you so they end up with only stupid peoples that say only good things even if they’re not making any money.
oh and dont expect making money taking the trades from the “live trader” it’s only 2 times few hours and there is rarely trades happening during that time and usually they loose, and there is no follow up of the trades so if the guy close it at break even few hours later he’ll not tell you and you’ll end up with a lose.
If they were really making money trading they’ll not bother time teaching peoples and making peoples waste their time and money they’ll just sell signals or manage peoples accounts so everyone would be making money, but instead they manipulate peoples to sell them crap so they get rich while their student waste their money and time.
as you can see the link you’ve given is dead, they’ve been forced by the aussie regulator to remoove it. I have some experience in forex and i’ll have no problem teaching few peoples the basic rules of trading even if i’m not profitable myself, sometimes they’ll get a winning trade and get exited and show it on FB but when they’ll loose they’ll not show it, no one is interested to brag about a loosing trade.
No one show a complete few months history or share his myfxbook link, those scammers have been around for few years now, they should have insane history by now and get no problem getting billions from banks, but no instead they’re just selling crap.
IP Student Opinion
Hey Guys,
I signed up with IP at Gold Level in December 2015 and went through all their 10 course and 3 strategy lessons as quickly as I could manage. Personally, I found it decent value for all the content provided and it was fairly straight forward information. I could probably find most of this somewhere online and struggle my way through, but the course has at least made it a lot easier for me than digging around online or in books.
The reason I chose to start at Gold was to get the extra features including an email ‘mentor’ and it allowed me into their Facebook VIP group where I can network with others on the same journey. I also went live and signed up for the optional extra Active Trader monthly subscription which has further improved my understanding
Ultimately what I have found is that IP gives a pretty reasonable foundation to trading, from which you can build your own skills. If you are a complete novice to all this I’d say it is a good way to begin. That said, it is not all easy information to understand and you will have to put in a fair amount of effort. You will even have to consider the reality that you are going to make losses and may not become successful even after using the course.
One important consideration is this;
Infinite Prosperity Australia Pty Ltd is a Corporate Authorised Representative of Alpha Equities & Futures
Australian Financial Services License 327075
Now, this means they are subject to Australian Laws and there are some limits here on what they can/should and can’t/shouldn’t do. I certainly feel one issue is that even if they show their account statements there is no reliable way to say that the results they achieve are entirely attributable to the strategies taught or discussed in the course. For instance, they actually teach the concept of confluences which essentially means you may have to bring in factors that are not evident to all and where one person sees a great trade another may see that being too risky. This said, it would certainly be nice for all if Amy and Lewis did share some account history so the skeptics can be satisfied. I would tend to suspect that a good part of their lifestyle income may flow from sales of the courses and commissions from accounts their students establish with FXCM, but even if they make just a modest amount trading, it would certainly help them to meet some living costs and buy a few nice things too.
To bluntly call IP a scam is probably not the most accurate/reasonable thing to do in my view. Certainly from a regulatory perspective the ASIC (Australia’s SEC) should have issues with licencing a scam as should the AFSL holder’s (Alpha Equities & Futures Ltd’s) auditors BDO. Yes, they do entice people based on some lifestyle experiences, but I think it’s pretty reasonable to imply that successful Forex traders can enjoy these things. I can even give them some benefit of the doubt they have had their big wins at trading too, but I’ve seen a little more now as a student.
As for me, I’ve applied some of the IP teachings and strategies and had a little success (wins) but I am also trying out some other approaches which have failed me miserably (losses). I have met other IP students at a local meetup who were very happy with their results and pleased with the course and all else IP has to offer.
Anyway, I’m not about to write here that if you do IP they will make you rich as I am certain that is not a sure bet. What they will do however is give you a decent foundation and allow you to decide if this is an activity you want to pursue. You just might even make a connection with some others on the same journey and really enjoy all on offer.
I hope this does help some readers and maybe someday we can see the rating for IP here being adjusted to something less harsh than it is right now. As a trading system for me right now it probably is a One or Two Star program. As an educational Forex course, I would move it up to Three or maybe even Four Stars.
If you really wanted, I expect you can even Snapchat Lewis (loopylitez)or Amy (amys53) with any questions and they might reply back to you. Otherwise, I’m happy to hear from you also (stuart7111).
Cheers, Stuart.
Brisbane, Australia.
PS. I am a CPA too and I’m not out to gain anything from this post, not related to anyone at IP and really wanted to put some integrity into this situation as I am part of this group as a paying customer too.
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Thanks for the comment! Well thought out, and well written. Hope to read more of your comments in the future.
In the ripoffreport: video of “Reading from a beginner’s Forex book”. lol. At least it’s better than the clotheline-nose-pinching voice of Dwacter Bwwarry Bwuurnns! Amazing in that video for “IP Ball 2015”, Mocker says they celebrated their “74th” person who quit their job. Can’t believe it’s that unreal. Smirking Sykes should have been in that ball.
they have maybe 5000 students so 74 is nothing and give you a good idea of how much a scam this thing is, Also out of those 5000 peoples for sure some have believed that if they quit their job (easy when you’re just 20 living with your parents and working at Mac Donald) they maybe could become profitable, but then after few months they figure out that it doesn’t work and get back to work lol
Quiting their jobs doesn’t mean those peoples are profitable and making money trading fx. When you start a restaurant for example you also have to quit your job, that doesn’t mean your restaurant will be profitable.
“If you don’t like it, ask for a refund. It is that simple'”
Yeah… Sure it is. Scammers refund your money in this business, no problem!
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Infinite-Prosperity/internet/Amy-Sangster-Infinite-Prosperity-infinite-prosperitycom-Robert-Himler-Far-From-It-fa-1119810
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I am not an Infinite Prosperity student but I’m planning to be.
After reading all of the comments there are a few things that must be pointed.
Indeed the lack of proven results takes a dent on the credibility of the course and their attitude doesn’t help.
The argument of their strategies being freely available out there is not an argument at all. These days there is so much info published on a daily basis that there’s nothing that you can’t find on a forum. So again that argument is idiotic.
As to the criminal past of the reviewer that is not an argument as well. It only proves that he is willing to do illegal things to make money. It doesn’t mean that he is not serious on this review. With that said there’s a serious lack of credibility here. I’ve noticed that you guys accept financial compensation for review the course. That, to me says it all. You can’t be credible when you accept any type of financial compensation when you’re doing a review.
Not only that but you did not buy the course. That is even worse. If you haven’t bought it, haven’t used it then you should not be allowed to talk about it. Period.
There’s an IP student here that didn’t had results. Also doesn’t prove anything. With anything in life there will always be someone that doesn’t like the product (just check any best selling amazon product, there’s always someone that complains about it).
I’m going to buy the course, take action on it and then I’ll report my results. That’s the only way to make a proper review. So my advice is, get the course, if you don’t like it, ask for a refund. It is that simple.
Plenty I could comment on, but I am just going to comment on this statement:
I’m going to buy the course, take action on it and then I’ll report my results. That’s the only way to make a proper review.
If you fail is that proof the method does not work. They can just say you did not study long enough and put in the time or you did not apply it properly and so forth.
Doesn’t the fact that they can not show you any proof they actually trade anything more less trade the method they sell, say anything to you? if the method they sold worked don’t you think they would trade it? I am curious do you have any requirement before buying a trading education course?
I have some swamp, I mean land in Florida you can build a nice home on for a great price. As you say you do not need to do any investigation of facts, just buy it and see how it goes and if it does not work I am sure I will give you a full refund. Also think those Madoff investors are waiting to get their money back.
Heck if you got money to throw away then go for it, but the chances of you becoming a profitable trader off their education I am pretty sure is ZERO.
I can only say if I am going to buy an investment course I want to buy it from someone that has been successful at investing, not selling trading education. But to each their own. I hope you open a blog and let us know how it goes. it should be interesting.
This site is a load of rubbish! Who would pay a retail trader any money to teach them the art of trading. Thats absurd!
1)Are they registered traders? No they are not
2)Have they ever worked in the investment division of a bank? No they have not!
3)Do they market they’re fanciful lifestyle very well? Yes they do
4)Did Amy buy a Lamborghini at the age of 22? Her now diseased boyfriends father owned a supercar yard. Yes the car was put in her name. Did money change hands i really doubt it. Unfortunately the only truth to come from these two is the fact that her boyfriend did in fact pass away.
5) The deed on Amy’s Florida home was last signed over 7 years ago, that would make her 15yr old when she supposedly purchased it. I will leave that for you to figure out whether its true or not.
6) Active trader is based on financial reports from FXstreet, DailyFX, Bloomberg and Rueters, not they’re own research. They haven’t been in the industry to know how to research.
Do not put your hard earned money in they’re pockets. They teach price action, rename other strategies Hyper trading etc to try and inflate the profile of something big. Its utter rubbish. You can learn more from Investopedia.
Finally they also own other domain names like whyinfiniteprosperityinstascam which in itself isn’t the best marketing move. Pretty easy to do a family check, and the registered person is actually family. lol
They put up a new video of their IP 2015 “ball”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9yp5DsZwTY
Looks really expensively set up. Did you see this Emmett, RobB? I’m starting to think they come from wealthy families and these are their family friends cheering them on for starting their own scam tradeducating business. It reminds me of those docu videos on youtube where they show billionaires’ kids and their lifestyles. If there is the slight chance that Mocker’s dad is/was a successful trader. Good luck thinking they will still teach anything useful. That’s another trick they use. Suppose a vendor does trade slightly better than 50%. Why do they still need to vend a site and services? most likely to make up for their losses from their subs who they won’t teach anything useful that works anyways. Anyways, bottom line IP doesn’t trade. They are just selling tradeucation to show something for the investments from their parents. So if Amy is 22 so it would have to be she only traded a few years to make millions to buy that house and car, then the plants on this board say it takes a lot of time and effort to learn? inconsistent fail right there. give me a break.
My guess is Amy could not even give you a name of a Brokerage Company.
On the IP site, they link where they are reviewed by http://tradingeducationreviews.com ; Looking at it, it’s mostly bare except for the “top 3” recommendations including IP. But, there is Syke’s, the creator/owner of “investi-scamma” for all to see, lol! ; Interesting to see that IP actually bought out the domain name, tradingeducationreveiws like it would block out real review sites in the future. It would have been better served as a sister or redirect link to tradingschools.org
On a serious note. If a former failed trader attempts to make a trading room/product site. That’s where the temptation to the “dark side” is the strongest. Because there are so many easy to implement tricks to scam the audience. I recall reading a confession post on BMT or elite years ago where a former failed vendor who was probably a failed trader before that, admitted the temptation to just take subscriber money is overwhelming once the business gets started. In these tough economic cycle of the current middle of 75 years, it may be very tempting to justify a scam because the whole world is already economic screwed by the elites, greed and intense competition to make the now-dead “American dream”. So the confessing vendor said it was all too easy to show sim results or if one could get away with it and was a good enough salesman, not show and sim results at all. So “legacy” scam vendors have long since stopped trading live after their losing past as Emmet mentioned often having lost out to other scams in their aspiring trading history. So it should be no surprise due to simming and fudging spreadsheet results for so long, it’s a hassle for any of these scam vendors to even show real results. They have to get a live account, different from their deal sim setup platforms they have from affiliate brokers or their servers are tied up with click and tracking traffic. So no wonder a vendor (Kavan?) ‘s system and site was shut down when they promised to show a live account. It turned out after the site was restored they forgot about and ignored the requests to show live results after that.
Jay, from the argument you make and how you never address any of the facts presented by Emmett, other posters and myself, it is my conclusion there is no way you are some unaffiliated student.
I think IP is hurting and you are Amy’s father. No unaffiliated person would make the kind or arguments you are making which basically is send in your money and just believe in the fantasy and for goodness sake do not ask for any proof. Again and again your argument is just trust me, it is true with no proof. Same words Madoff or any scammer would use.
Jay, I tell you want, I am going to help you out. Now I should not do this as it goes against my sworn oath, but I am going to let you in on a secret. Don’t tell anyone else. I just got back from Con Artist Convention, where you learn to be the best con artist you can be. They teach the latest and most profitable scams. Some refer to it as Con U (for Con Artist University). Anyway at Con U this year the biggest conference room was dedicated to the Trading Room Scam and there first slide was, “Don’t Rob a Bank, Start a Trading Room: Like Taking Candy from a Baby” The Con artist Speaker then presented slides going over the Trading Room Scam Business Model (TRS BM). And I tell you IP was using this BM to the hilt. Now before I open my Scam Trading Room I would like to get your input on where you think people would get hooked on the scam. I recorded the lecture and below are the slides, some of the question from the audience, and the con artist answer. Plus I have some questions for you to answer. Your answers will really help me create the best Trading Room Scam I can create. So here are the Trading Room Scam Business Model slides:
TRS BM Slide 1) Open a website showing the jet set lifestyle your suckers will be living after buying your unproven education package. Have pictures of yourself next to a jet and models and at your beach house. Have an attractive 22 year old attractive lady in a Lamborghini she bought with all her profits she is making from trading. Remember you are not selling anything real you are selling a complete fantasy and the fantasy lifestyle to people who are naïve and desperate. Note1: I am not including the jet set lifestyle pictures shown on the slide but I swear one of the ladies looked like Amy.
Note2: As Emmett showed Amy borrowed the Lamborghini from a friend who has a dealership, But yes I know Jay facts are not important.
Q1 to Jay) — Jay is this where you jump in and buy and tell other to buy the course? Because at Con U they refer to the people that buy at this point as the Big Fish. These are dumbest of the dumb. Con U tells us that these are the people you call up the next day and sell them the Eiffel tower and they are so gullible that 50% of them will actually buy the Eiffel tower from you.
TRS BM Slide 2) Create a bunch of alias along with getting some family and friends to go to Investo scam you and post glowing review (they are referred to as shills). Even go to Emmett site and every other site and post glowing reviews. Talk about how the trading room turned your trading around and how it has helped you so much. Talk about how others are retiring after learning the unproven trading method you are selling. Talk about all your master student who are now full time trades who are trading from the beach and how you they loving life and have no more worries about not being able to pay their bills.
Question from the Audience) — Does anyone actually ask for proof?
Answer from the Con Artist Speaker) — That is the beauty of this scam, less than 1% ever ask for any proof. They just send you money. It is like taking candy from a baby.
Q2 to Jay) — Jay after you read those fake post is this where you sign up and sent in your money to IP??
TRS BM Slide 3) Start a trading room / trading community. Do the same thing with the shills, but this time have them brag about how they just took a trade and made $1000. And tell the other members once they buy your education package they too will have seen that trade. Also here is where you have to sound like your care and you must sound sincere. Tell them how you were a loser trader for 10 years until you figured it out and now like Mother Teresa you feel compelled to share your good fortune with others and teach them how to trade profitably. Show symphony for whatever their hard luck story is. This will be tough to act like you care to these suckers, but the better you are at it the more money you can scam them out of. And remember scamming them out of money is the only goal.
Question from the Audience) — You are telling me these naïve people just believe these shills and your fake symphony without asking for any proof and do you feel bad after scamming these fools with the fake sincerity.
Answer from the Con Artist Speaker) — It is unbelievable, but again, they do not ask for any proof. Right after acting like I care to, I get their money and I run all the way to the bank saying, “What a sap”!
Q3 to Jay) — Jay, is this the point you; the sap; hand over your money??
TRS BM Slide 4) Go to Youtube and create a bunch of videos. It is FREE and the best advertisement ever. Here is what you do. Pull up a chart and find where price exploded up. Go backwards on the chart and apply some basic trading 101 logic and tell the suckers how you are buying at the point right before the move up. Heck even thrown in some Sim trades where you made some big bucks. And talk about how after they buy your course they too will see the pattern and be making these big winning trades.
Question from the Audience) — Wont they see this is all hindsight analysis and Sim which is completely meaningless.
Answer from the Con Artist Speaker) — They do not care. Remember you are not selling reality. You are selling a fantasy. Truth and Proof you can actually trade profitably does not matter. In fact one of my best shills named Jay is posting on Emmett as I speak telling people proof does not matter and just trust him.
Q4 to Jay) — Jay, I know you have to join in at this point. Is this where you sign up and send in your money?
TRS BM Slide 5) Post a bunch of fake trading results.
Question from the Audience) — Wont anyone ask for some proof you actually took these trades or that they were not sim trades with no slippage shown.
Answer from the Con Artist Speaker) — I keep telling you no one ask for proof. These people are really this STUPID. I know it is hard to believe but they are.
Q4 to Jay) — Man, I am sure you are buying a trading education package after seeing all the unproven fake results. Is this where you buy? After all IP does everything but the one thing that actually count and that is SHOW ANY PROOF they can trade the method they sell profitable!!!!
The above Business Model is what 99.9% of trading rooms use. The sad fact is any con artist worth his weight can setup a trading education / trading room and run the con. It is easy. But here is what the con man cannot do; Show any Proof of Profitable Trading. That is the only thing that really counts, yet Jay just refuses to address that fact.
Setting up a trading room is easy, but actually trading profitable is hard. It is one thing to talk about trading it is another thing to take live trades with slippage and actual be able to consistently produce a profit over time. You find a person that shows proof of profitably trading, let me know and I will join.
I am just curious Jay, if IP made the following honest statement would you still say buy their educational package.
“ We have packaged some trading techniques freely available from the web and have shown images of the jet style life style you can have if you can trade profitable. But neither we nor any of our students have ever been able to figure out how to trade the method we sell profitably. Therefore we can not show any proof of profitable trading. But heck you might be the first to do it. Good Luck!!”
Jay, if you still do not get it, you are beyond my help. And to sound like Trump I think you should be castrated and not allowed to reproduce. We already have enough idiots in this world.
Wow dude!!! Over 1500 words all for my benefit?!?!?! You’re amazing. Your post is interesting, so I will address it bit by bit (noting that you failed to do so with my post), in the interests of anybody who happens to stumble upon this waste of cyberspace:
You/Emmett have provided no facts other than “they won’t send me their trading results.” As mentioned repeatedly, how can you have any ‘facts’ if you haven’t even done the course? It’s ludicrous.
Con U – as mentioned (also repeatedly), IP is not a trading room.
Slide 1 – marketing 101. I was honestly put off by the displays of lavish lifestyle and all that stuff, but I had friends signing up so I thought I’d give it a go. The worst that could happen was that I spend ~$400 and maybe learn something new. Amy didn’t borrow that car, she bought it (she posted the title in a pointless attempt to dispel the indoctrinated haters. I know you can easily say it’s a faked title, but you would say that any document online can be faked, so I wonder what benefit you would get from IP posting trading results?)
Q1 – I didn’t buy the course at this point. I did some digging, had some doubt, but then eventually signed up to see what it was all about. I’m an engineer by trade so I naturally question things. I didn’t see a bright shiny object and jump for it.
Slide 2 – it’s not a trading room. They are not selling a ‘method’.
Does anyone ask for proof? Sometimes. Generally, people in the community post screen shots of their closed positions from their broker window, after closing trades that they learnt via IP. This happens quite a lot actually.
Q2 – no, there weren’t many posts at the time I joined, and those that existed were inside the community and not available to the general public.
Slide 3 – I don’t know what “symphony” has to do with trading, but you mention it a couple of times so….
Q3 – there’s actually a 30 day money back guarantee, so there is literally nothing stopping you from checking out the course. You could do it right now, and maybe you would have something material to review and complain about.
Slide 4 – once again, you’ve watched the wrong videos, and that is not my problem. But anyway….. are you saying that trading 101 logic would have caught the trade? And that they are teaching trading 101 logic? If so, where is the problem?
Q4 – I don’t know what you mean by a sim trade, but I have seen the IP lessons play out time and time again on the charts, so I’m a bit beyond the idea of “fake results.”
Slide 5 – you talk about slippage, which is odd. Are you under the impression that IP is about stock trading? Or that they teach some sort of low R:R scalping with massive exposure?
Q4 – (yes, you seem to have written 2 different Q4’s). The proof is, as they say, in the pudding. I have personal contact with a few of the successful traders within IP, and they are enjoying their escape from the 9-5.
The statement: you’ve pretty much just summarised your demonstrably uneducated opinion about IP and asked if I agree with it. Of course I don’t agree with it, you absolute peanut.
I agree, we have enough idiots in this world. Chief among them would be those who think they can offer help to people from a position of complete lack. A close second would be the type who would suggest castration without even knowing their oponents’ sex…
To close, and putting the issue to rest:
There are a bunch of successful traders in the community, and no two trade exactly the same way. This is why I asked those questions in my previous post. Seriously, if you can answer the questions in my last post, there will literally be nothing missing from your understanding of this issue, other than that caused by your wilful ignorance. But that’s ok, we don’t need you
Once again just mother hood statements of success but no proof. If you are doing so well then show proof of profitable trading. Don’t you see a problem with you saying how great IP education is yet you can not trade profitably using their method. For Goodness sake wake up and smell the coffee or whatever you must be drinking. As I have repeatedly said you could make the same argument to defend Madoff or Barry Burns or any other con artist scamming people. BTW all instrument even Forex have bid ask spread. If you believe Amy bought that Lamborghini with here trading profits there is no help for you. How can I intelligently argue with someone that refuse to show any proof they can trade profitable and tells people to buy an education package from people that show no evidence they can trade the method they sell profitably.
BTW, I watched the IP videos and wonder if you watched them. As I stated I saw no live trading what so ever in those videos. I know this will be a shock to you, but a lot of vendors will even replay and take trades to sucker in people. Even though I doubt any club member shows any live trading profits as you self-proclaim, you need to see a history of all trades. I can show you a single profitable trade but that does not show proof I am a profitable trader.
The questions you asked brought no evidence to the fact IP could trade profitable so what would be the point of answering those questions? Question like whether trading is mostly mental and questions of that nature has nothing to do with whether IP can trade the method they sell profitably. Seriously it does not even bother you the person you bought the education package can show no evidence of profitable trading what so ever. Damn that Kook-Aid must taste good. I really have got to sell you some wonderful real estate in Florida I own. Trust me it is a bargain. I will get some shills to say how much money they have made off buying real estate from me.
As I pointed out any con artist can start a trading room. That is easy. If you want to buy education from people that can not even show any evidence they can trade profitably, what can I say. Good Luck with that. Come back and let us know how that goes. Maybe some day you will show us proof of that profitable trading, but I seriously doubt it, because it is not going to happen from IP trading education. But seriously report back in 3 or 6 months.
Lastly I guess I am old. Every Jay I have known was a boy. Maybe it is short for something or Jay is a girls name now. Are you Amy’s sister?
Emmett, seriously I do not know how you deal with people like this everyday. It is like talking to a wall. Jay is clearly a shill or the most naive human being on the planet. Can someone truly believe so naive they think there are no con artist in this business and trust people who show absolutely no proof they can trade profitably.
I will now have a talk with my cat for more intelligent conversation. Hopefully someone else can talk to Jay.
http://screencast.com/t/vUQwQkZQuKI
I feel your frustration Rob B. Just reading the exchange has caused me to turn to the drink.
Umm…I would like to interject a thought into this debate! Jay, listen I want you to know that I respect your opinion. Seriously. And I would be really happy to read that you are yet another “retired” forex trader. However, what I find egregious about Infinite Prosperity is a complete and total lack of transparency. Repeatedly, I have offered to the IP persons the opportunity to have a new review written. I have only asked for only the most minimal amount of proof that any of these people have ever traded successfully. They cannot. I have only asked for 3 consecutive months of statements…but nobody at this organization can produce this.
Is proof of success a litmus test? In my opinion, it is. I have verified the trading performance of several trading educators by having them show me redacted statements. For them, its not a big deal because they truly want people to know how well they trade. And their commitment to openness and transparency has rewarded them with a flood of traffic and individuals that have eagerly purchased their educational products. Its a win/win. You are a consumer of trading products, and I am sure that you want to experience success. I can only suggest that you focus your efforts on methods that have a proven track record of success. With all due respect, you might have set your bar a little too low.
I hope that you make your dreams come true. And I hope that at some point, you can come back and draft your own blog post to the trading community on your personal journey.
Best Wishes,
Emmett
Wow.. This is just sad.. Sign up and see for yourself. I am signed up and have been since Jan 2015. They don’t sell you a method to trading, they sell you the knowledge of trading and how you use that determines your success. Check out Irek Piekarski, he’s mine and many other traders mentor. He was an infinite prosperity student who went on to make great success, me and about 200 others pay $100 a month to listen to him, ask him questions and trade together during the London session twice a week during a live webinar.
Now surely you will call me an idiot saying I’m a fool and giving people my money, but purely just based of the trades taken as a community in these webinars I have made over 10% on my account in 3 months. Now here comes the.. but do you have evidence… I would love to explain how we come to make this money but you honestly seem too stupid to understand, but what the hell, here’s a screenshot of a trade taken last monday that made 1% profit. This is just peanuts compared to monthly returns of some traders, Irek and other higher level students average 10% per month and some have already made 50% YTD:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/HOZ3qSB–SRHE9Kk93JwGJ7JYdWEsMVAbSY1hR-cavx2n5tFGpuaq9ZFxUjrySMTgJ8z=w1366-h768-rw-no
Now that 1% can mean $10,000 to some and only $10 to others, it really depends how much you have invested. For example, I have 40k invested and that 1% I made last week is $400 to me. So no, I am not a millionaire, but with investing more and a compounding effect of my account, it sure as hell can be enough to live off. Now getting to this level goes through the advanced course of Infinite prosperity called “Platinum” and deals with whats called “Day trading”, opposed to the swing method in the initial course, which mind you can still make some serious returns.
Maybe your tiny brain can somehow understand that not everything is a scam. I’d love to give you more details, but your honestly not worth the time. Just thought I’d give some insight to people who believe the shit you write, from a person who is signed up to this so called “scam”.
We’d all love to eat humble pie Daniel but your tiny brain doesn’t seen to understand how to download your brokerage statements for the last 6 months and email them to Emmett. Or perhaps you are just too stupid to understand that what you offer as proof isn’t proof of a successful trading strategy.
Really Stray Dog? personally attacks on intelligence? Seems like a sure sign that you have no tangible argument, I would suggest you turn around with your tail between you legs and sit this one out
Ben, my comment was in reply to Daniel Agius’ comments and I quote ” I would love to explain how we come to make this money but you honestly seem too stupid to understand,” or this one “Maybe your tiny brain can somehow understand that not everything is a scam.” My tail is raised high and pointed in your direction.
Daniel,
You people never seem to stop to amaze me. Man how easy it is too cherry pick a chart and mark it up in hindsight. If day trading was that easy everyone would be making money. I can show you every type of divergence including hidden divergence. But actually placing a trade and making money is another story.
You sound like a typical shill, promoting fantasy and yet once again can show no proof. But if you are not a shill I add the following quote,
“victims of con artists sing the praises of their victimizers until they realize they have been fleeced.”
Emmett you really need to add a Button to this site that someone can just hit as a response to these type of post, that says, “Yet Once Again another Scammer that can talk a great game, but can show no Proof of Profitable trading What so Ever”.
I just hope people see the pattern. Bragging about big returns yet never ever ever can show proof. As Stray Dog said how hard would it be for you to show some proof. Do not be like those monkeys, I do not want to see any proof, I do not want to hear any proof and I do not want to speak any proof.
Based on Daniel’s logic, I have now decided to sell my trading method. I have no proof. But Irek Piekarski, is a Rob B student who went on to make great success, about 200 others pay $100 a month to listen to him, ask him questions and trade together during the London session twice a week during a live webinar. Purely just based of the trades taken as a community in these webinars others have made over 10% on their account in 3 months. I would show you my brokerage statements but my dumb dog eat them. Dumb Dog Darn it!!!!! Anyway I am running a discount Today and Today only. $499. Send the money Western Union. I am sure after my posting all my shills, sorry I mean real live students will give glowing testimonials on how successful they are. Again they will not be able to show any proof, because my dog also eat their brokerage statements, Darn that dumb dog!!!
As Emmett says, “DONT BE THE GOAT” That is after you buy my course obvious. Cash accepted. Thank you in advance, Rob B
Lol… well sending you my statement would probably be a load of shit too, because you know what, I can just photoshop that, or modify the excel version. You clearly are a paranoid fuckwit who is too afraid to try anything that doesn’t go according to you logic.
Look you clearly cannot be swayed no matter what I show you or try to say. All I can say is that I’ve been with infinite prosperity for over a year, and while I’m not a millionaire nor am I financially independent at this stage I will be sure to post back when I am.
I would believe you Daniel. You know, I created “The Robot” so that people can build unbiased track records and also obtain funding from several sources that I have available. Its costs nothing. If you have a verifiable trading record, and willing to be transparent about your trading, then I have a lot of opportunities for you.
BTW, I have tried on too many occasions to get the Infinite Prosperity people to prove any sort of success. The trading community deserves to know the truth. They could do FXBook too. Plenty of ways to track performance.
I know that a lot of your hopes and dreams are tied up tightly with the Infinite Properity group. Its OK and I respect that you are a true believer. I really hope it works out for you. My job is toquestion the validity of trading educators. I have lost count of how many times I have gotten nasty emails from folks that defend “The Guru” and then later come back and have a different perspective. We can agree to disagree. Best of luck! And much respect.
hahahahaha, that says it all. He is selling a Forex Robot.
Is clear to see who is the scammer now!
Hey Emmett! I am reading all of this lovely back and forth as I stumbled upon IP and was wondering if it was a scam or not. So far this conversation hasn’t really helped me determine one way on another if it is or isn’t. I would like to make a request however.
If IP is a scam and you recommend not getting involved, could you please suggest either a training course or way for new people to get into FX trading which isn’t a scam? Thank you.
Hey Milo, I can answer questions for you if you are worried about it being a scam. I’ve been a student since last year and am just starting to become profitable. Its not an easy journey but it does work if you commit to it. Its especially hard with fuckwits like the people here bringing you down.
If you are looking for a quick easy money making scheme, this is not it. But if you have any questions I’d be happy to help
I’m confident that most people who read this blog know that the biggest fuckwit in the room is the fuckwit calling everyone else a fuckwit.
This reminds me of David Kuvelas. He would often make up another prospective customer who asks basically the same, I don’t know what to make of it. Then Kuvelas would make up another plant id to say , yes it works, i.e. the same vendor making up two plant id’s to show a q&a attempting to fool readers. Another of their myriad tricks. It’s been done on elite and trade2win before.
Thanks Stray Dog,
Ditto. I just find it amazing that these shills call people asking for actual proof fuckwits. I wonder if Madoff called the people that said something does not add up here fuckwits.
Fine, here the most recent half of my FXCM broker report. This is from 12/15 to now. I’ve blocked out my account number and the first half of the ticket reference for obvious reasons.
http://imgur.com/QIUSxCv
But surely this is some bullshit I’ve photo shopped or created myself. So there’s obviously no convincing you guys. To me that statement proves nothing, and nothing ever will. I’m not even the best example of a successful student.
There are plenty of successful and yes there are students who are doing worse and are in down draw at the moment and some that gave up.
I guess all of the evidence you guys put forth is rock solid in comparison… so why should I bother.
Continue to rant and call bullshit without any evidence, but anyone actually looking into it, try not to listen to these assholes. There’s a community of supportive IP students who like to have a laugh at this review on FB.
Congrats Daniel! Thats great man. Really happy for you. This is better than 99% of the trading educators out there! Seriously. Hardly anyone ever has the courage to post actual results.
I dont understand why the Infinite Prosperity folks cannot be this open. There would be no arguments if they were as open as yourself.
You might even have something to teach.
Daniel,
As you pointed out it is impossible to tell if that brokerage statement is real or not. It does not even have the brokerage firm name or symbol, or trade entries and exits shown, which is why I consistently state show a live brokerage statement. Even though that can still be faked, it is much harder to do. That means going on Skype with Emmett and opening your brokerage account live.
But if that is a live statement, then Congratulations as you have done something as Emmett has pointed out 99% of Trading Rooms cannot do.
Assuming you are not part of the scam then answer this, Why will IP not show actual proof they can trade profitable and if IP is trading live then why would an honest trader selling education refuse to have the Robot run. I can think of only one Real Answer they do not trade or they do not trade profitably. And one final question do you think people should buy trading education from someone that refuses to show any proof they can trade profitably? Would you hire a builder to build your home that refuses to show any proof he has ever built a home before? Exactly what is your standard.
Daniel,
I want to make sure the reasons for my questions were clear. So I thought I should start with some baseline facts that I hope we should be able to agree on. If not let me know where we disagree.
First, I would hope we would both agree anyone with marketing ability can create a fancy website say you can make a fortune trading and have pictures of jets, pretty ladies and Lamborghini and this only proves they are great marketers and not profitable traders. It is much easier to be a great marketer than it is to be a great trader.
Second, I would think most people want to learn and buy trading education from someone that can actually trade profitably.
I know I want to buy trading education from a proven successful trader
3) Any great marketer can post a bunch of fake glowing comment and even post on Emmett’s Blog.
4) Most of the trading education is crap being sold by marketers who could not trade profitable if there lives dependent on it.
5) Most people are being scammed by these marketers and end up just losing money trading the crap they sell.
Do we agree on these 5 points and please let me know where you disagree. Now being you call people such as me that ask for some proof of profitable trading fucksters; here is my question:
What criterias do you set before buying a trading education course?
It’s probably not a real statement RobB. It looks like a spreadsheet with words copied over from a probably losing statement which can then be adjusted any which way to show profitability. The spreadsheet lines are so obvious. And what does it prove about IP? nothing. It doesn’t even show the hundreds of thousands gain rate needed to be able to buy that house and lambo that Amy shows in the videos. It’s just the shill again RobB under a name. I’m really sick of them posting again when the thread gets quiet and they depend are after the churn rate, keyword rate per month of new dupes signing up. They don’t care how many are lost along the way as long as the new victims are had monthly with tens of thousands new aspiring traders trying to find a vendor to learn from each month.
I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt.
Firstly, Rob. I’m not sure whether you’ve seen a brokerage account statement before, but it was much easier to show you my account activity opposed to the position statement. Position statements are HUGE.. Theres Ticket, symbol, volume, date, sold price, bought price, gross, commission, dividends, rollover, adjustment and about 10 other categories that would not fit in a screen shot. There are broker symbols and fine print and letterhead and foot notes, but not that will fit in what I showed you. By all means look up what a FXCM report looks like if you dont believe me.
As for why nobody shows you proof, I can imagine it would be from a legal and liability stand point. If you are showing your results and then a student doesn’t reflect those results, you get a whole lot of shit for it.
Trading is a highly discretionary way of working. For every position I take, someone else would have their own justification for doing the opposite. You simply can’t show results and give everyone some sort of false expectation.
YES, infinite prosperity teaches a mechanical way of trading to begin with, but it only gets you so far. There is so much more beyond the basic strategies they teach.
Out of their 21 lessons, there are only 5 that teach strategies. The rest is mentality and the psychological side of it. And any experienced trader can tell you that its 80% psychological, 20% strategy. I am still struggling with the mental side of things, just last night I missed on a 4% profit short on the double top of AUDNZD because I had a psychological issue with my analysis.
IP method of teaching is to lay the foundations of trading and then allowing you to progress in your own way. You aren’t moulded into successful trader through IP as everyone is different.
If anyone thinks its a get rich quick scheme, its not at all. And they are completely honest throughout the course about it.
Its taken me personally over a year of looking at the charts EVERY DAY, doing long term and short term analysis when market is closed, investing my time and money to listening to others opinions and concepts and software for me to not even have broken even after all I’ve invested. But I can see consistencies only in the past 4 months, and with persistence will be at a financially independent stage where I can quit the 9-5 drag. IT IS NOT EASY, but it is achievable.
As for your points Rob:
1) Yes anyone can make a website and market really well with all of the things everyone dreams of. But I found it more motivating than anything else. The only reason I came across IP was because of Amy buying her lambo (which is explained in the lessons how she made a profit from her lambo), and I was curious how she did it. I actually didn’t sign up to IP the first time I came across it, I thought it was bullshit too. Seemed too good to be true, never looked into it and left the site. 2 years later I came across it again and did some research and decided to take the plunge. The difference with my research was not to find how it was bullshit, but to find how it was true, and there are a lot of things out there that proves its not a scam and they demonstrate their abilities.
2) Yes, but showing the account of a successful trader can give false hope that some would interpret as guaranteed success. Not to mention it could all be falsified. if you go in with the mentality its all bullshit, all you will see is bullshit. I don’t know if there are legal ramifications to it as well as an education provider. It also doesn’t reflect what they teach. You can show the results of a shitty trader, who had a lucky streak, doesn’t prove they are successful if you only show the good.
3) Yes of course they can, so can a competitor or some asshole troll do the complete opposite with no supporting evidence also. (not mentioning any names) *cough* *cough*
4) 100% agree. More so meaning to be cautious, not a sceptic. Do research with an open mind. Look at what they offer for what price, and what resources they provide.
5) Same as 4. And you know what, you can still lose all your money with IP. But if you do, its by no fault of IP. They present you with the ground work, how you continue on and become consistent is 100% up to you. The same as any person getting into trading. What you put in, is what you get out.
Infinite Prosperity is not a holy grail to trading. They provide you with the basis of FX trading. They also provide OPPORTUNITIES (keyword) to further your learning with a community, ongoing subscriptions and resources. Some people succeed of the basis, some people use all the resources and fail.
I don’t see how its any different to university (except its cheaper). You pay tens of thousands to undergo a course, they provide you with the knowledge and opportunities to further your education. Now if you complete material, are you guaranteed to pass? Are you guaranteed to become successful? fuck no! I can name probably hundreds of people that wasted tens of thousands on a course they flunked out on, or didn’t pursue or failed at it. Does the university get a bad review for it? Is it a scam?
Personally I found better value for money in the IP course than I did getting my MCSE cert in Windows server 2008. Even if I didn’t make a dollar out of it.
Anyway, that’s my rant. Take the plunge or not. $500 surely could be pissed away on worse things.
P.S to the guy that said Active Trader just reports the fundamentals from bloomberg and such – You clearly have never watched an episode of active trader. Tom and Paul (the guys who run AT) would be fuming at that. First of all, they DO NOT use anything but the direct reports from the federal banks. They actually refuse to use Bloomberg as it is manipulated by media. and yes Tom is actually qualified (physical pieces of paper that say so) in a number of areas of economics and global macros to comment on these federal statements. Not to mention for the first 3 seasons of AT, they dont even touch on fundamental analysis. Its only the last two that they incorporate the economic fundamentals and global macros to it.
P.P.S Sorry for the ridiculous novel
Daniel,
It is too hard to post and read this little column reply, so I will try and keep my post relatively short. I guess we are right brain, left brain people because I do not follow your logic. First, I have several brokerage accounts and in every one of them I can show my trade history. But I am not familiar with FXCM reports.
First it is not illegal for one to show their actual brokerage account. In fact if there was ever any regulation in this industry I am guessing they would force transparency just like mutual funds have posting requirements. But here is the right brain left brain thinking part. IP shows a jet style lifestyle based on trading they show no proof of. To me that leads to false hopes, yet you say by showing their actual true brokerage statement that would lead to false hopes. This makes absolutely no sense to me. By your logic, showing real facts is “Bad” and showing fantasy lifestyle backed by nothing is “Good”. I must admit I do not get it. Maybe someone else can explain this type of logic to me in another way that I can understand.
Everyone that has day traded knows about the mental aspects, and your results will be different and the other points you brought up. The issue here is that IP never shows any proof they can trade profitable or if that they have ever taken a trade in their life time. And apparently that does not matter to you. As Emmett once said, I think that is a litmus test before you buy a trading course.
You also keep saying promotional motherhood statement like IP lays the foundations of trading and etc. But anyone can say those type of words. It is just good marketing to buy their product. But all that means nothing if they cannot even trade the method they sell profitable.
As you point out it is only $500, but I think people would better be served to spend that $500 on an educator that can prove they can trade profitably. And scamming lots of people out of $500 is not a good thing.
I will not continue on in this little column format. Tell IP to show proof of their trading or allow Emmett to use the Robot, otherwise you are paying $500 based on absolutely nothing but a fancy website and a poster named Daniel who could just as easy be Amy’s father. I am sorry but the only thing I believe in are actual facts and proof not some promotional crap. I cannot stress this enough but anyone can create a site selling trading educational material and anyone can create a poster named Daniel saying how great the product is and how it turned around their trading. That is easy. What is hard is actually buy trading education from some that can actually trade profitably and I have yet to see any evidence of the latter.
Either way, in no way does it make IP any less of a scam. Sure, put $500 into an indicator instead or another platform. It’s not much compared to many frustrating journeys where one has gone from vendor to vendor. It’s far less than NexGen, GTR, or Avenge for example. It’s like the “Dr.” Barry Burns of forex instead of futures at that price point. What matters is the “churn” rate per month. It’s how many give IP a try for a month then found out like the ripoffreport says, that Amy is reading from a beginner’s forex book in the videos when they could have just bought the book for $10 off Amazon kindle in the first place. Maybe one out of thousands will have a lucky good record for three months assuming it’s true (which I don’t believe; excel can easily change results making up a new profit each column. As FXCM’s site says, the statements can be downloaded into a spreadsheet. https://www.fxcm.com/resources/video-library/trading-station-features/reports/ ), the churn rate is still as bad or worse than the worst scam vendors out there. That Daniel mentions the IP FB club are laughing at this review, reeks to me of shilling, and makes me even less inclined in my mind to elevate IP’s status any from one of the worst reviewed sites on ts.org. See the earlier comments of this thread but I guess that’s the whole point of posting later in the thread after months have gone by. A churn rate of 100 new dupes a month for $500 each. If a new trader student can’t calculate the profit for the tradeucators and let it sink in, maybe they deserve to be initiated into their first lesson of being snakeoiled by InfiniteProsperity rather than TopDogTrading.
Then I give up. Facts don’t prove anything yet nothing you have to show is apparently rock hard evidence.
Look take it up Lewis, Amy, Irek, Tom, Paul, Benny, or what ever successful trader you want to take a dump on. They show their analysis, on each trade (when they choose to share), it follows a pattern that coupled with a discretionary outlook you can duplicate results. Irek is my mentor and he share’s every single trade he takes through the LT community. I don’t need to see his account to know he is an absolute beast trader. Because I trade similar to him, and I have my own results as evidence. If you choose to blindly say its a scam then that’s all you buddy while I’m making money that’s paying for my trip to Europe in July
If that’s not evidence enough for you then fuck me, I’m part of a giant scam and am actually full of shit because I try and defend something that’s changed my life.
Do the course yourself, and take a leaf out of your own book and have some evidence to back up what you say.
I’ve wasted enough time responding to your delusions of paranoia.
You can say whatever you want, I’ve stopped listening.
Daniel,
Nothing you say makes sense to me.
“Facts don’t prove anything yet nothing you have to show is apparently rock hard evidence.”
It is the person selling the education course that needs to show evidence. So far the only thing I have seen is a spreadsheet looking post from you. That is no evidence of anything. Show Emmett a live brokerage statement, Of course, that would not prove IP trades profitable, but it would at least give credibility to your post.
“If you choose to blindly say its a scam then that’s all you buddy while I’m making money that’s paying for my trip to Europe in July. If that’s not evidence enough for you then fuck me“
What evidence!!!! They show no evidence what so ever of profitable trading. Is you saying it paid for your trip to Europe the evidence you speak of? It is the same as Amy saying she bought that Lamborghini on trading profits. I talk to real traders that have taken education courses all the time and you just do not sound real to me.
“Do the course yourself, and take a leaf out of your own book and have some evidence to back up what you say.”
I say no one should pay $500 for a course whereby the seller refuses to show any evidence what so ever they can trade profitable. Especially when they show pictures of the jet style lifestyle. I do not need to pay $500 for a course to come to that conclusion.
“I’ve wasted enough time responding to your delusions of paranoia.”
Wow it is now paranoia to ask for actual proof of profitable trading. Seriously do you read your own post. The words you use are the kind of stuff all con artist say.
Daniel can say whatever you want, but it does not change the basic fact. IP refuse to show any proof they can trade profitably. Nothing else means anything. That is the one thing that can shut me up and yet the one thing they never do. There is really no point in going back and forth. I keep saying IP needs to show real proof and you keep saying take my word on it.
Now here is my guess, no evidence on this one, IP is hurting due to this review and now making up fake posters saying how there trading method changed their live and how the trading profits are now paying for their Europe vacation. I have been investing and day trading a long time and this just sounds like a scam to me. How hard would it be for someone from IP to actually show Emmett real concrete proof they have ever traded anything. Anyone can mark up and provide hindsight analysis on a chart. I am just sick of these con artist scamming people even if it was only for $500. To me proof of profitable trading is a Litmus Test, everything else is just marketing crap. All I can say is the people have read our posts and they can decide.
I’m an IP member, and have been since the course came out. Initially I thought it was a bit scammy, but that was mostly because I had no idea what was possible. We now have a huge community with many successful traders (about 75 so far retired, and 3 within their first 8 months or so), so the idea of it being a scam just to fool me is all a bit elaborate and pointless. They don’t buy and show off expensive possessions because they’re not really possession driven people (plus they generally prefer to make their money work for them, rather than lose it in depreciation). Amy made money on her Gallardo, and honestly if it takes watching a cute girl talk about her car to get a bunch of people off their asses and into a real future, then the marketing fluff has done its job.
You’re right, it would be nice to see account statements, but if you need someone else’s results to go and get your own, you’ve kinda lost already (I guess that’s why you’re just a blogger?). Do you ask Tony Robbins or Robert Kiyosaki or Grant Cardone for their personal financial information? Anyway, it’s embarrassing enough that you’ve never actually looked at the content yet have the personality deficiencies to call this a ‘review’, and that you appear to give everything on your site about 1 star (no doubt with similar lack of insight) but it’s ok. You’ve provided me with a good laugh, even though I feel a bit sorry for you
Infinite Prosperity has now produced 75 traders that have retired? Laughable. Why not 175, or 1,750? That sounds even better.
Why not 1 million, why not 7.4 billion? Because trading is hard. However, with all these reviews under your belt I’m assuming you’ve found the holy grail of trading and are now a successful trader? Awaiting screen shots of your results.
Jay,
Most of what you wrote is just complete nonsense. Hedge funds and Mutual funds results are all open to the public. When you are investing in a person that is suppose to teach you to trade, you better believe you better check to see if they can actually trade profitably. Do you honestly believe some con artist taking public available trading techniques packaging it and then making up some fantasy trading results is a legit business. How big a fool can you be. This is how the Madoff investors were scammed. If you were going to hire a money manager would you just take their word on their amazing results without any proof.
As far as your comment there are 75 retired traders in the community. From what I heard the reason there are 75 retirees is originally 300 retired joined his program and after losing so much money 225 had to go back to work. LOL!! The fact you even make such a claim shows you are either a shill or complete clueless. Why not just say after there are 75 people that bought a Lamborghini after becoming a member.
There is one and only one thing that counts; Real Live Brokerage statement showing his trading results. And if he will not produce those then nothing else needs to be said. For anyone with an IQ over 50 that Screams “CON ARTIST”!!!!! Wake up from fantasy land and join reality.
Rob B,
They are neither a hedge fund nor a mutual fund. They are not managing my money. They openly admit that they do not have some mystical holy grail of trading, and that they are an education company. They also openly admit that their content is generally available for free in various places around the web. They put it all in one handy location for a pretty low cost, whilst giving people access to their communities, which are huge value. Lewis and Amy don’t post very often about their own trades, but the community does, and those who have made it a priority are doing very well. Having said that, check out Lewis’ youtube channel, he’s vlogged a couple of trades recently.
I would wish you good luck in your endeavours but if you’re happy to sit on the sidelines waiting for someone else to prove something to you before you take action, I’m afraid it’s wasted. Everything in your comments reeks of failure.
Jay,
I do not think you would know a successful investor if your life depended on it. As I have posted in the past I am a successful investor including day trading. But just like I say don’t take your word on IP ability to trade profitable, you should not take my word. The difference is I am not trying to swindle anyone out of their money by selling crap trading education.
I looked at IPs Youtube videos. I saw no live trading, just hindsight markup of a chart. Anyone can do that. It is meaningless.
This site with 22 year Amy buying her Lamborghini is so over the top, you are clearly one of the owners, or owner’s family or friend; in other words a shill. And it amazes how you shills just come on here again and again with the same statements. Trust me it is real. Believe me I would not lie. People are retiring off this system. Blah! Blah! Blah! The one thing, which is the only thing that matter, you can show is any PROOF OF PROFITABLE TRADING!!!
In your own words, “They also openly admit that their content is generally available for free in various places around the web”
And on top of that they show no proof they can trade the method they sell profitably.
So what the Hell are you paying for except for a complete fantasy?
Right now I could start a scam trading education website, where I put together a bunch of basic day trading 101 technics freely available on the web, get some hot models by a jet and by me and me with a Lamborghini. Post some fake completely made up amazing trade results, do a bunch of hindsight chart analysis on Youtube, post a bunch of glowing reviews on Investi scam you, show some great sim trades making a lot of money and go on and on about how all my students are retiring. Now Jay, according to you everyone should just believe me and send me money. That is exactly what you are telling people. Well I say, Don’t be the “FOOL”. Don’t send me or anyone else money selling trading education unless they can show proof they can trade their own system profitable.
Anyone that can truly trade profitable should have no problem doing the following:
1) Actually Trade a Live Account,
2) Show their Chart Trader or DOM
3) Accurately Record and Post their Trade Entries, Exits and Results including slippage,
4) Show their Brokerage statement proving they traded live and indeed get those entries and exits.
If they are not willing to do that then it is all a fantasy with one purpose only to scam people out of their money. If you can make an intelligent argument why they do not need to show any proof what so ever then why should someone throw their hard earned money away on some education system the owners themselves will not use to make trades. And the statement, “they do not need to show proof” is not an intelligent argument. Instead it just proves the whole thing is a scam.
But I give you another option Jay. You say there are all these people that retired from all the money they are making from IP education, have them come forth and show Emmett proof. I am sure if a bunch of students show they are hitting it out of the park using IP trading methods then Emmett will update his review. But I will not hold my breath as you are just the typical shill; blah, blah, blah, blah never any proof. Just one more scammer in this industry.
Best post yet Rob!
A common tactic that you see time and time on the web. After an accurate review points out what total crap the IP education and product is the owners send in the shills to sell the dream again. “No, no don’t listen to Emmett, it’s all true. You can quit your job, buy an mansion, drive a hot car with an even hotter woman beside you and you can do it all within 3 months of buying our course.” Please, if you fall for shills like Jay then contact me, I have a bridge I want to sell you.
It saddens me reading through all these comments, it seems there are a lot of people (or more accurately sheep) that will blindly follow and believe a less than half assed review. Its good to see you did your due diligence *cough* and completed the entire program Emmett, very professional of you….. just pathetic
Good luck to the rest of you with your mediocre lives
Dude, how can a review be accurate if nothing has been reviewed? Literally zero review work was completed. Not even a little bit of investigation was done. At no point in any of the material does it say that you will have those things that you mention, especially not within 3 months.
Anyway, I’m pretty sure you’re all the same person (Emmett) and this is falling on (willingly) deaf ears, but given the things that IP has provided me, I owe it to them to try.
Rob,
I would think that the retired successful traders from the IP community would have better things to do with their time then to scour the internet to provide proven results to narrow minded bloggers that has served 3 years in a federal penitentiary for securities and tax fraud.
http://tradingschools.info/2015/08/05/a-review-of-emmett-moore/
Remember kids, its a good idea to have a healthy level of skepticism of both sides of the fence.
The IP scam community need better shills. There current ones come across as petulant children. Ben, where are your verified trading statements? Ben, tell us something that Emmett hasn’t already told this community about his criminal past. Ben, we do have a healthy level of skepticism which is why you or one of the 75 retired traders (who must have plenty of time on their hands) need to provide proof of your trading success using the IP education.
The guy is probably a shill. Just like on Big Mike’s they wait until the commotion from the initial review exposure has died down then try to post a self-hedging review about pretending to be a customer. 75 retirees is just laughable considering most all scam vendor sites like Warrior for example have only 1 or 2 shills who read off a script in their reviews claiming they made over 100k. Then it’s up to Emmett and the watchdogs like ourselves especially like our lauded vanguard RobB to keep the review in check less it becomes like sykes’ investi-scamma with tons of fake plant review comments. I assume the blue linked id’s are traced to the vendor’s site or IP, so the shill comment must be either the vendor at another IP maybe from a McDonald’s or a friend or family out of state or whatever. bad example, Robert Kiyosaki has also been exposed for a few years on another site. He’s already an old guy still forced to do his silly touring seminars? obviously an employee of a seminar ticket organization even after all these years that he can’t retire rich.
http://johntreed.com/blogs/john-t-reed-s-real-estate-investment-blog/61651011-john-t-reeds-analysis-of-robert-t-kiyosakis-book-rich-dad-poor-dad-part-1
Rob,
If you’d like to post your trading results to legitimise your claims, go ahead.
It was my choice to pay money to IP to buy some technical and psychological information that is generally available elsewhere for free (though not in the same spot and not including the communities). They did not sell it to me or push me in any way. I made the choice on my own, as did others. Are you therefore saying that IP are passive scammers? They wait for people to come to them of their own free will? As for me being a shill: I don’t personally know Lewis or Amy and am not employed by IP. I’m one of a great many satisfied members. The proof you ask for is all over the IP communities, but unfortunately you haven’t bought the course and gained access to these. Given how passionate you are about IP and how successful you claim to be with investing, I don’t imagine it would be a problem for you to shell out the pretty meagre entry price. Why not gain some knowledge on which to base your claims?
You looked up the wrong videos, that’s not my problem. I don’t place any value in you or Emmett (though I suspect you are the same person) and neither do other IP members, so waiting for them to show Emmett some “proof” will have him waiting a while.
You label those who have paid for IP as “FOOLS”, yet you are commenting in support of a known fraudster whose new fraud game appears to be giving bad reviews until the company in question pays to have them taken down. Kinda like Yelp, but more pathetic. Given what I’ve seen from the people who run IP, they are so far above you/Emmett that I don’t see such a payment coming through any time soon.
Jay, I’m sure everyone here is getting tired of this dance. The solution is very straight forward. If you want to prove that you are not a fool and that IP is fantastic then provide proof in the form of verified trading statements. No one here is buying what you’re selling especially if the sales pitch is “Believe me. Pay up then you’ll see how fantastic IP is.” Proof Jay. Proof.
I’m surprised victims who were taken haven’t come forward. Either message Emmett their grievances or post here about how much the IP education really helped or not. I’m guessing these are rich kids who are thinking this is a legit business and doing a Paris Hilton looking scheme, even citing Kiyosaki like a celeb inspirational.
Jay,
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume for a second you are just a naive investor and not a shill (though my money is on shill based on your arguments). I have met many desperate traders and have come to realize that facts and logic does not matter to a Kook-Aide drinker who is desperate to believe in a fantasy. Until they are ready to see the truth for themselves nothing else matters. I know as I was once a Kook-Aide drinker once. The same arguments you give are the same arguments Madoff investors would have given before that scam was exposed. I am telling you the devil seldom carries a pitch forks and wears horns. I was in a trading room where the operator sounded so nice and caring and sincere and it all turned out to be a scam exposed on Big Mike by his members and he had to close down his site. And even though it was shown that all his trades were faked, there were still Kool-Aide drinkers that supported him. Nothing can open their eyes until they are ready to see. But I know all the hoping and praying in the world does not make something true. I can only tell you is once I woke up from the fantasy being taught by trading rooms and started to realize what day trading was really about I became successful at it and now understand why 95% fail. You can search my post elsewhere, where I have discussed it. I am not sure what else I can say to you. If you want to believe 22 year old Amy is buying a Lamborghini from all her trading profits there is nothing else I can say to you. If you wish to believe in IP even though they show absolutely no proof what so ever of profitable trading, again there is nothing else I can say to you. As I already posted I could set up a trading room, do exactly what IP does, have shill post how much money the students are making (sound familiar) and show no proof what so ever of profitably trading and scam people also. Maybe in your mind that is a legitimate business. Apparently it does not bother you that neither IP nor any one of their students can show they can trade profitable. Yes I know as you or another person posted there are these mysterious people using IP method knocking it out of the park who are too busy to show any proof. Seriously! Give me a break. If IP had truly successful students they would be telling them to contract Emmett and show proof. But I am sure you do not see that either. Try and think for a second, if IP had all those mysterious, legendary profitable students that are as hard to find as a Unicorn show Emmett their broker’s statement showing how they are making money trading IP’s method, then Emmett might do an updated review and give IP a positive review. And if that happened IP would have so many new students they would not know what to do. Heck then Amy might be able to truly afford her Lamborghini.
Here is what I can tell you when after 3 months, 6 months , 1 year, 10 years pass and you still cannot trade profitably using the IP method, it is not because you are doing something wrong, it is because they sold something neither they or any of their students could ever trade profitably. There is a reason they cannot show any profitable trading using their system and someday you will come around to realize it. And for Goodness sake, when you do finally wake up and see the truth, do not pay for another education package without any proof again.
Lastly, you have made accusations against Emmett, but Emmett openly admits to his past and there is no evidence to your other accusation. Frankly I do not see much different in what Emmett did than what IP is doing, both scamming people, except Emmett was on a much bigger scale. You stated, “Are you therefore saying IP are passive scammer”. I say IMO they are lying, showing a fantasy jet set lifestyle and cannot trade their own method profitable and are active scammers.
Once again, I can only speak from my experience, and my experience is net positive (started out negative but since I made it a must they have changed my life for the better, which is worth a lot more than the low entry price that you refuse to pay). If you want some sort of proof from them, contact them. As I said, I doubt they will come here seeking your approval.
Do you believe that there is no trading ‘magic bullet’ that guarantees success? If so, do you also subscribe to the notion that trading is 10-20% analysis and 80-90% mentality? If so, what ‘system’ could anybody teach another person and expect to have the exact same results as them? (the answer to that last one is some kind of signal service, which is fine if you don’t feel like learning for yourself, but IP are an education company, not a signal service).
When are you going to start up your own trading education company? Or a signal service? I probably don’t even need to ask, because the millions of students who take your holy grail system will probably make global news. Think about it Rob, you could start a global trading revolution! All you have to do is release your holy grail methodology! Literally, all you have to do is teach people the one correct way to trade, that works for everybody in all market conditions, and you will be revered as a hero worthy of the history books! Then you’ll really be able to show those education companies!
I know the guy on Big Mike’s you’re talking about RobB. Jaguar52 or something of Jaguar’s club or protradered.blogspot.com . He was a long time member of BMT and had this dog avatar. At first I thought he was a staff member of the site. He always had these long articles of trading advice. He was slick and kept from breaking the forum rules while still hoarding the beginner’s category with his updating “learn the inexpensive way” thread or something, which in hindsight was how he got newbies to look at his vendor site. One time I tried a trial and when I saw him lambasting a student on the mike practically raking them over hot coals, I thought to myself, I know there are far better rooms and quickly ditched it and he showed no sign of trading for himself live. It doesn’t have to be a boot camp or martial arts dojo where a bully instructor uses the student as a beating dummy. Then later when he was exposed in a BMT thread last year. https://futures.io/vendors-product-reviews/22819-jaguar-trading-club-protradered-blogspot-com-19.html
I realized that it was all a slickly ingenious act to be tough drill sergeant and put all the blame on the students not working hard enough, when as a complete hypocrite he had been doing sim faked results the whole time. He was giving his students a hard time as well as taking their money based on a fraud! Well the thread explains the fraud in all detail. He was slick, but he ego got him exposed as he put too much out there over time that he couldn’t refute the proof of his fakery when exposed. His articles and spam email had got him semi-famous as some trading sites had shown his articles like he was some kind of expert guru. He sure did a lot of verbiage and fooled lots of newbies into believing he knew what he was talking about.
Yes he was the Master of Con Artist. And from what I understand is the reason Emmett started this website.
Hello Jay, thanks for sharing your feedback. I will be joining the course as well but in forex education industry educators do post financial statement. I know a gentle man from singapore, he is an educator and has verifiable live track record of fx results. But most educator are teaching the same thing.
“Forex education industry educators do post financial statement.”
Really I do not see them. Where are those honest financial statements being posted. Surely you are not referring to the myfxbooks scam or some fake Excel spreadsheet results.
Short of Amy posing naked for subscribers I cannot see why anyone would pay money for that education.
Just posing naked is not enough. She would actually have to give the subscribers some. Every one of them.
LOL! OMG that is very funny.
Friend of one of these guys confesses that they didn’t make any money trading…
“I was his close friend until the FarFromIt stuff happened. He actually told me some of his finances, and this is nowhere near accurate. I co-own Razzi with Robert. Razzi, his most popular website, doesn’t make enough profit to afford a car…”
https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/33n1fw/robert_himler_is_dead_at_24_years_old/
I am a member of IP, I joined in July 2015. In April 2015, I came across one of free videos from IP (active trader) where they back test AUDUSD pair. I applied some of the ideas I learned from it and was able to generate 75% in 3 months. I thought, if I can do this with some of their ideas, I could do so much MORE if I do the course!!!
I have a gold membership, and it includes 12 lessons and 3 trading strategies, and UNLIMITED support from a mentor (by email). Lessons cover usual staff: psychology, probability, etc.etc. and the 3 strategies you learn are mechanical in nature, to stop/reduce human interference. After starting trading with IP strategies in July 2015, I had 4-5 consecutive loosing months, with a loss of 16%. Was it the strategies fault? NO. After reviewing my trades, there were mistakes everywhere, over-trading, wrong position sizes, wrong market conditions etc.etc. In the last 2 months, I have made 20%, to bring me back to my starting capital from July 2015. I traded the same strategies, but what was different was my psychology/mindset/approach.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the strategies they teach, they work just as they are suppose to. There is no magic trick, its lots, and lots of practice time, until things start to make sense, and that’s why 90% of traders fail. I have been trading for 3yrs now, and only in the past 8-10 months, I have started to get long periods of profitability.
In regards to Lewis, and Amy, I have never met them, and can not verify how true their lifestyles are. They seem to have it all, whether its true or not, I dont know or care. IP is a community, they have a facebook page, they had an IP Ball (held at the end of 2015), support for traders, and extra information/services (active trader is paid service of weekly market reviews, feature topic, trade ideas, etc) everything they provide is solid information.
Its up to each trader to do the hardwork of learning. If you want easy trading, then subscribe to a signal service.
In regards to the review by Emmet, I am disappointed as its in parts completely untrue and misleading. A review, is something that you try and experience and then write a review, and it appears that Emmet is not a member, has not tested the strategies, or other services provided by IP.
The following is a list of things that Emmet said are not provided, but are in fact offered by IP:
– VIP facebook page for IP members (gold and up), occasional setup alert, lots of fundamental, and techincal information shared by members, as well as mentors.
– Active trader (extra $60 per month) is a weekly market review, that covers in details current geopolitical issues, fundamentals, possible setups, techincals, and things to watch out for, as well as feature topics. (some AT episodes are free on you tube)
– UNLIMITED support from a mentor for gold and up memberships
– A LOT of live trading sessions for Platinum Members
– Comprehensive Trade Journal (excel) available to Gold and up members, to track trades.
– IP Ball held somewhere in US in 2015
– Traders meet ups ( I am going to one on 30/1/16 for Melbourne meet up.
– Platinum Membership is selective, and you have to apply for it, and show consistent profitability over a few months at least.
AS you can see. IP offers plenty of information for beginners, as well as more advanced traders. Is it for everyone? of course its not, everyone has to develop their own style, and learn strategies that suit them. In fact I spent 12 months with a private trading mentor doing 1 on 1 lessons (before IP), and in the end I could not apply his techniques, no matter how profitable they were.
Everything comes back to the same fundamental questions…if these people trade, then they should show proof. If they can show proof, then this changes everything. However, you must understand that neither of these people can, nor will they show any proof of trading success. Your education should be based upon, and built upon proven, successful traders.
They are relying upon your naivete. Dont be a goat.
Felix Ladyzhenskii,
I have no idea if you are a serious member or just a shill, but I think you are missing the point.
The fact is 99% of Trading Rooms and Educators are bogus. I could do the same thing. I could take material that is freely available and indicators from Big Mike, make a few changes, if I even do that, and then call it my proprietary method. Open a website showing the jet set lifestyle and start doing webinars where I talk about charts in hindsight. And put up bogus testimonials. None of that show any proof that I or anyone can trade the crap I am selling profitably.
It is impossible IMO to evaluate a course. What you can do is ask for some evidence the person selling the course can actually even trade the method they sell profitable. That is the only way to tell a scam artist from a real traders.
You cannot seriously believe 22 Amy bought a Lamborghini with earning from day trading. I know a lot of successful investors and I have yet to meet one living the jet style lifestyle. The people I see living that lifestyle were born into money. Gee I am a profitable day trader and I drive a 2005 piece of junk. Man am I out of touch.
Do you really believe people should just fork down money and buy a course without any proof what so ever the person selling the course can trade profitably? If so then send me $10K and I will create a course for you. I will even create some fake user names and give myself great testimonials at Investopedia.
Emmett said do not be the goat. I say do not be the FOOL! Don’t take the vendors word for it or Felix Laydzhenskii and certainly not my word. GET PROOF!!!!! Other wise you are buying a fantasy based on absolutely nothing. You have to realize these vendors have one goal in mind and it is not to help you become a successful investor; it is too depart you from your money. And as I have said many times, the devil usually does not wear horns and carry a pitchfork. Instead he opens a trading room and acts so caring. Don’t believe me; ask Madoff investors.
If you want to learn how to trade, follow these simple rules and you will be fine:
1. Plan to trade in SIM for 6-12 months before you trade any system.
2. STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM ANYTHING THAT SAYS “EDUCATION” “LEARN” “EASY” “COURSE” .. These places are scams and if they could trade this good they would not be selling they would be trading.
3. Be happy making / losing $50-100 / day consistently before you think you can do this fulltime. Bottom line you aint making $1000 / day after a training course and 6 months
4. NEVER TRADE NEEDing TO MAKE MONEY.. This is a proven path to failure.
5. PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE …. A heart surgeon did a shit load of stuff before he starting doing by-passes, dont think your gonna learn this shit quick and for go all the learning … Just aint gonna happen .
6. MOST IMPORTANT – DONT DO THIS SHIT. IT is so damn hard and takes a shitload of hours. But if you are committed, it can work for you.
Hope this helps …
What about this guy that actually tested it?
http://www.fxdayjob.com/100-trade-test/infinite-prosperity/
J, you mean the guy who is about to switch from demo trading to real trading? The guy who has developed his own system that he’s about to release (sell) to his readers? Do you mean the guy who has no track record of real trading yet he’s about to get into the trading education business? That guy, right?
Here’s another one for you to review Emmett.
IP is a discretionary trading course, teaches basic technical analysis, pairs you with a “trading coach” and has videos to help guide you for a monthly fee of course. Wna day trade using their simple strategy? Another fee. No chat room rather a private facebook page. Basically, I’d give this place a couple of stars, they don’t promise much, but it’s all about macro eco combined with technicals, aka discretionary trading. The pudding is in the “trading coach” which is “for life” once you’re all paid up. Furthermore, they give some advice on how to make passive income, how renting is better than buying in their eyes. They do a good job showing how to live like a rich person without owning anything. Pretty poor financial advice in my humble opinion. They make a mockery of college education, which if you don’t want to get shafted as a retail trader, you basically have to get a business degree and an mba to trade in the professional world. Hope this helps. PS. these folks don’t own most of their shit, the cars yes, the houses no.
I am currently looking for a trading course to get started with. I saw this and was interested to see what you had to say about the trading course infinite prosperity, but it appears that instead of breaking down the course itself and the techniques you decided to slander people running the course. This appears more like a breakdown of how the people involved aren’t successful and how they are fooling the masses into buying a product. If you had a follow up of why their product is so shoddy and how it was all false I would have paid attention, but considering all you did was bad mouth these people for how they live, instead of how their techniques could be improved etc. it makes it sound like you’re just a bitter reviewer online who couldn’t get a free copy of the course and decided to have a go at people for what they post on social media, instead of how their product works compared to others on the market.
In future may I suggest that you review the product, instead of spending 30 minutes googling people in charge and slandering them over the pictures they post on instagram.
If you do have anything useful to say about the trading system they are advertising please let me know.
Thanks for the comment. And your question is certainly valid, however if I had to purchase every single trading product on the internet and then make live trades to see if the material is valid, I am quite sure that I would be broke in short order.
I can see that you are quite new to the trade educational scene. This might be a shock for you to learn, but there are quite a few frauds out there. Many that claim to trade, and claim to be very successful at trading, yet they refuse to show any proof of trading results.
Since many of these trading guru’s refuse to show any proof of trading results, then how is one to evaluate the product? Are we supposed to simply trust them? Pay thousands of dollars in money and risk our capital in the hopes that their trading product is valid and real? You maybe willing to do so, but experience has taught me to be wary.
Regardless, thank you for your comment and I sincerely hope to read more of your thoughts in the future.
Emmett
Tim, “”When something’s bothering you and you’re too damn stupid to know what to do, just keep your fool mouth shut. At least that way, you won’t make things worse.”-Bart Simpson
Tim,
After you have studied and day traded for a few years, all the educational material is the same. Most vendors just take the basic concepts, make a few modifications; if they even do that; and give it a new name declaring it their secret indicator or method. How many indicators from Big Mike have been taken and became some trading room’s proprietary indicator.
Let me just try and use a simple example. Let’s say you take Barry Burns course and study divergence using MACD, Stochastic or whatever oscillator you choose. 100 people would get different results.
Emmett goes into trading rooms and copies their trades. If these Traders cannot trade the method they are selling profitable, how in the world are you supposed to? And even if Emmett cannot duplicate their results he still allows the trader to show him his brokerage statement in order to prove they trade profitable.
I do not know what more you can ask for. Think about it do you really want Emmett to take the Top Dog Trading Course and say, “Yes Barry show you a hidden divergence in that course”? WTF does that prove? How does that help you??
I think Emmett is going the right direction. As Emmett has said most people want to learn from a mentor that feeds his family from his trading income not selling trading education that is widely available for free. And let me tell you a secret 99.9999% of what these educators teach you is available on the internet for free. There is no Colonel Sanders secret sauce. Sorry to burst your bubble.
His name is not Jake, his name its Fake!!…LOL
statements, statements! to show or not to show
You’s are honestly all the dumbest idiots I’ve ever heard of. Not only am I a student of infinite prosperity but I know Lewis mocker and Benny personally, two of the most talented men I’ve ever met. Not only is Lewis a talented trader but he is a true and honest man that has chosen to give his knowledge to people that wish to live unordinary lives. Maybe you should stop creating false reviews about trading sites to get traffic to your dumb ass blog. If you do truly believe the IP is a scam then why don’t you try and gather some unhappy members of the course, the only problem with that idea is you won’t be able to find a single person.
Thanks for your comment. Unfortunately, Lewis or Benny have no verifiable track record. Where are their account statements? Its really a simple question and it deserves an answer.
Hopefully, Lewis and Benny will step forward show me some trading records. They should be able to do this, and why not, they already show exotic sports cars, exotic vacations, expensive items…they love to show off! So why not show of the account statements that verify their amazing trading success? Is this really such a big deal?
Hey Jake
If you are a successful student of I P, how about showing us your statements for September using their methods.
I’d be wary of anything said by this reviewer, considering any of the good reviews tend to contain “I’ll be upfront, they contacted me…” and “They were wary about giving me a free trail, but I got it…”.
Sounds like if he can’t get a free sneak peek into the course he gives them one star for some BS reason, in this case “I don’t like what they post online”, instead of it being a review like “Their system is flawed because…”
“Their system is flawed because”…they have no proof of real trading? Would that be a valid reason for not purchasing a trading product?
THANK YOU^^
Honestly, try and find an unhappy client.
It honestly sounds as though you didn’t even read the course?
If anything is a “scam”, it is this website. What a joke.
I am still waiting for these charlatans to post account statements that verify that their approach to trading actually works. Heck, I want to drive a new Lamborghini. If they can just show me those trading profits via account statements, then I will publish a new article that highlights their proven success.
Its really very simple. Show proof that you trade.
“Honestly, try and find an unhappy client.”
I am. I foolishly paid for their silver course, it turned out most of the material was just psychological mumbo-jumbo and motivational stuff. The basic trading techniques, such as “power trends”, were simple mechanical techniques: set up charts in such a way, wait for specific things to appear, then place your order. All their BS about mindset, psychology etc. was irrelevant because the techniques was purely mechanical.
It seemed far to easy, and needless to say it didn’t work.
Psychology is a massive part of trading, anyone who says it isn’t, is to be frank, a twat.
The strategies you claim don’t work in fact do. did you properly backtest them over several different currency pairs. I have. They do work. Granted some currency pairs are worse than others but if you properly backtest and find the currency pairs that do work well you will profit. Of course if you had actually paid attention to the “Mumbo jumbo” you would understand that the strategies take time. They lose more often than they win but when they win, they win big. Again, this was explained fully.
Now I know most of you will now ask for my backtesting results and my account statements but no. 1. You don’t deserve to see them after unfairly critising the course 2. I know you wouldn’t look at them objectively, you’d moan the drawdown is too long the returns aren’t good enough etc etc. 3. I don’t fancy broadcasting my earnings on the Internet.
James,
Really. I can only speak for myself but I see it totally differently. First the course is not what is being criticized, it is the fact the people selling the course show no proof what so ever they can trade profitable. Yes no matter what you say they need to show proof they can actually trade what they teach profitable. Second I am not interested in some back tested results. That and $4K will buy you a cup of coffee. They are meaningless. Now if you have actual brokerage statement showing you could trade the method being taught that would be of value. As far as draw downs and results that is part of real world trading. Draw downs will show if this particular method is a good fit for a particular person. If you actually showed brokerage statements and summarized the draw downs and results you would be doing something the vendors selling this education can not or will not do. I am just amazed by people such as yourself that claim to be so upset about people asking for some honesty be brought to this industry and that vendors actually show some actual proof.
That’s a new one; “you don’t deserve to see them” I’ll try that one the next time the company wants to evaluate my effectiveness to justify the salary they pay me.
Jake, good Hell, can you even read the first sentence of your post? And YOU are calling people idiots? You can’t even manage to compose a sentence with proper punctuation or grammar. Joke’s on you Jake, you’re a damned moron, and if you buy into the “IP” scam, you’re the Mayor of Moron Town.
Hi Jake!
I completely agree with you… Lewis is a fantastic trader, mentor and teacher. The support Benny has given me has had a major positive impact on my trading and understanding of the fx market.
I can’t believe how people can write so much BS about things and people they have no knowledge about.
Lewis and Amy are excellent marketers, particularly social media. Hats off to them! Hey, they understand what makes their target audience ‘tick’. With bemusement, I watch and remain entertained.
I dont know Emmett but he is pointing to the big fat elaphant in the room no IP student will see. Too blinded by their brainwashing on social media.
For IP to have any credability it needs to show track record as simple as that. Im a student and i can show you results that it doesnt work.
I came to this site as a matter of research into Infinite Prosperity, due diligence if you like. As an ex Police Officer and almost 50yrs old I’m still looking to make money and am not easily fooled yet I have been intrigued by IP, Amy’s apparent positive attitude an the unwillingness to reject any criticism. It is unnerving to realize that there are very few mature people highlighted on their websites benefiting from their success. The biggest indicator that all is not what it seems came when I traced Amy’s palatial home address in Florida and looked it up on Zillow where it stated that the home was last sold seven years ago. If the home is indeed hers it would mean that she bought this multi million dollar home at age 15….. something just doesn’t gel. I wanted to believe that IP is genuine as Amy and Lewis come across as genuine people who genuinely want people to succeed whilst also running a business, the problem is that there are just too many alarm bells. Maybe I’m wrong, I wish I was.
All of the imagery of the wealth, the travel, the shiny things, the shopping, the healthy foods, the exotic locations, the Anthony Robbins quotes…its a “Red Herring”, its meant to distract our attention away from the core. The core is that these characters are not willing to verify trading results. In only a moment, both Lewis and Amy can simply post a screen shot of a consolidated annual brokerage statement. Simply as that.
I believe she is currently renting her house.
The truth is that there is no place for honest people anymore in this world, it’s a sad fact, shoddy people like these three thrive while the rest of us languish and fade, become pawns etc. A sad world indeed.
I think there should be a rule at the top of this website. You go to a trading room and if there is a picture of a jet, Lamborghini or a model looking women in a bikini, do not walk, but RUN AWAY LOL!!!
Robert Himler. The guy is a great marketer. He gets it.
He just recently died of cancer.
I believe nothing about these three characters. The problem with lies is that the only way to cover the previous lie is to create a larger lie. Before long, so many lies have been told that a person might even fake their own death. Not saying this is a fact, but these three characters have a long and sordid history of dreaming up fantasies.
I thought this article was about Amy. http://www.today.com/news/instagram-star-quits-social-media-reveals-her-dream-life-was-t53721
This comment reminded me of daytradingacademy.com ; Where they show resort and beachside photos of Rio and Brazil. I know of two guys who were already taken by them. Please do a review of them sometime. Many newbies to trading on other forums have been asking about it. Thanks.
lmao!
Wow, these clowns are so ridiculous they make Tim Sykes look like a respectable trader. LOL
i like this sentence: “For only $549, they can purchase a Forex trading course and turn their meager fast food paycheck into millions of dollars.” :))
Hope Robert at least got to bonk Amy before he kicked off
Emmett,
Where in the world do you even find trading rooms like this one? I went to Amy’s Facebook page and I thought I was looking at Paris Hilton not a day trader. Maybe someone that inherited money from her family. All the pictures where of a jet set lifestyle. I did not even see one picture of her in front of a computer looking at charts. I doubt she can even spell Forex. I think she is a hired model.
I guess I am just boring, but everyone that I have met that is successful at investing whether day trading, swing trading or longer term trading are boring people. Warren Buffett is the image of a true successful investor. The only way I would join this site was if they had win a date with Amy contest LOL! Gosh I can hear the, “you’re a sexist replies”.
Funny and entertaining as always, Thanks!
These people are ass clowns for taking peoples money for false hope.
Hope you dont get on their email marketing list…they just pitched me the idea that college is a poor life choice and Forex trading is the correct path. Pathetic.
Himler is dead, were you aware of that
Not buying it. I know this sounds morbid, but these characters have lied so much, to so many people that I believe nothing about any of them. They were crazy enough to get millions of YouTube views and create this fantasy world of trading success where all three of them were driving around with $200,000 sports cars and had their own mansions all over the world, etc. If someone can show me a published newspaper article, or an invite to a wake, or a statement from a parent, then I would believe it. But its all too convenient and clean that the marketing genius behind this whole charade is suddenly dead from cancer. Nobody just suddenly dies from cancer, they go through chemo or surgery and they wither slowly…especially a healthy 22 year old kid.
Not once did this kid ever mention his cancer or chemo or surgery on his personal blog or facebook page. Instead, just one day he magically dies from cancer. All published and released on the internet on the same day. Not buying it.
Hey Bud,
How are you going to argue about credibility when there isn’t even a single ounce of credibility in your own article YOU posted. I don’t see any solid facts of evidence presented. Just a bunch of malicious and ill worded attempts to make a negative light on someone.
Also Just so you are aware, from a legal standing ground you are very able to be sued for defamation of character, and slander of business practices. Don’t believe me? Guess what I got bad news for you, Amy & Robert in the past initiated lawsuits against those who slandered their names, and won. You can look it up at the “Latrobe Pennsylvania” Clerk of Court Records online…..
Robert per-happened to be a longtime friend of mine…..
He did unfortunately pass from Pancreatic Cancer this year.
Funeral was attended and verified first hand.
You Said “Not once did this kid ever mention his cancer or chemo or surgery on his personal blog or facebook page.”
He felt as though he didn’t want to put the burden of his health issues onto his followers. He was fighting This Cancer since November of 2012, it was a long, difficult, and courageous fight. He could have done as you said and told the world he had it and prayed on their fake sympathy. But he took it as strongly as he could and fought it out that entire time on his own.
Also Since you want a link for credibility
Link One: http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=himler&GSfn=robert&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=145542884&df=all&
Link Two: http://obituaries.expressionstributes.com/?mobile=ecdd362564
In the end here, we have you “Emmett Moore” Author of this, Posting slanderous material about them, Have presented NO Facts (All your conceited opinion), and Speaking Ill-will about the now deceased.
As a parent myself, I certainly feel a great deal of sympathy for family of Robert.
Regarding Amy, she is certainly entitled to sue whomever she pleases. In fact, I recommend that she sue me! I would have a wonderful time in deposition, discovery, and the subpeona of her trading records. Then the entire world can see just how well she trades! And buys Lamborghinis and Audi’s and earns millions of dollars day trading forex.
You are a child. Way out in the deep end of the pool. Better stick with things that you understand.
Of course, all of this back and forth can simply go away if Amy would simply post her trading statements that prove her trading prowess. Wouldnt that be a great way to settle this? You should ask Amy.
This is not even a review.
All you have done is slag off their lifestyle and marketing. WAKE UP! all marketing is carefully selected material to appeal to the given target audience. You do not see Jack Daniels advertising the harmful effects of alcohol at an AA meeting.
Imagine Jeremy Clarkson slating a new BMW because their marketing panders towards young people and without even driving the car, insisting that others do not buy it. It’s madness!
It doesn’t even seem like you have read the website, it clearly states that the course is not a get rich quick scheme or instant profits without work. They openly advertise that hard work is needed and even admit that a small number of students actually finish the course.
I have not brought the Infinite Prosperity course, for all I know it could be rubbish but I know I would at least read it before reviewing.
I think that you missed the point. The kids at Infinite Prosperity all claim to be million dollar traders and live a lavish lifestyle. This is used as nothing more than marketing bait. The truth is that neither of these people can prove that they have ever earned a penny from trading. I asked multiple times. They are lying to the desperate and the naive.
But perhaps you are new to this game, and I can appreciate that. I would recommend that you purchase the Infinite Prosperity course and then invest all of your money. Please do, come back and write about your experiences. The audience would greatly appreciate your intelligent input.
You’re too considerate and kind to these fools Emmett. James, they’re running a scam. They are nasty, bad, bad people. If you give them your money you will end up with an owie. Do you understand or do you need pictures? your $ 2 Infinite Prosperity = owie 4 U =
James
As I said, for all I know you could be right. It could be a complete scam, but it is unfair to judge the course before you have seen the content.
@Emmett, like James told you, this is not a “Review”!
All you did is look at their web statistics, website, social media, etc. If this was a review, you would have at least taken advantage of the 2 Free lessons they offer and included it in your “review”. As for the course, you should be the one purchasing it and writing a proper review.
There is also a reason why there is no talk about economics is because they are technical traders. If you are a “real trader” you would know that there is a difference between Technical trading and Fundamental trading. As for charts, if you go to the FB page and other social media there are plenty, include mini lessons and tips. BTW go follow lewis on YouTube and see for yourself that it’s all real.
And as far as talking about results, they are prohibited by law from sharing these, as they are an educational company and are not allowed to market with false hope. Seeing as every person/trader has their own style and therefore different results.
BTW, give your son an Infinite Prosperity Gold membership for his next birth day. It will change his life, guaranteed.
Read the obituary and it seems that Emmett’s assessment of him was spot on. He was an internet entrepreneur not a successful trader. Guess his faith in Jesus Christ didn’t extend to the not telling lies and deceiving people part of the teachings.
Since you seem to discredit everything they say, I found Robert’s obituary.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/triblive-ligonier-echo/obituary.aspx?n=robert-e-himler&pid=176436007
Took 10 seconds on google.. Obviously, you are one of the ones that decided to half-ass the content provided and then blame the material for your lack of motivation. If you had given the content even half of the time and effort you put into this, you would have a completely different opinion of it.
There isn’t mention of Forex or trading in their images because the images on their social media are for their friends and colleagues. The same type content everyone else posts on their own accounts. The only reason you have an issue with it is because of who it is. They don’t advertise that they will make you millionaires or rich overnight. Matter of fact, they very bluntly tell you it will not be overnight, nor a matter of months. It will be years before you get to that because it takes time and effort.
Yes, some people will make it happen faster because of their motivation, employment, other circumstances.. If you had read the post about Benny Lane, you would know that he was working and studying at the same time. He would sleep a few hours between night studies and his job. Once he reached a level of consistency, his girlfriend put her savings into his trading and that’s what gave him the trading capital to generate the returns needed to live off of Forex. Without that large injection of capital, it would have taken him much longer to get to that stage.
They keep their trading accounts secret because of people like you that come out of the woodwork and want to get involved in every detail of their personal lives. No one needs to prove anything to you or anyone else.
Do you need proof that you’ll get a job once you have your degree before you pay $60,000 in tuition for it? No, but what happens to a lot of new graduates in this job market? They spend $30, $40, $50,000 and get a slip of paper that doesn’t do anything but state you completed the course with at least the minimum required grades. The job market is so flooded that a vast majority of college grads don’t even get a job in their field of studies. Doing a google search for the following string, “percent of graduates employed in their chosen field of studies” will give you plenty of articles verifying this information, including CBS Money, Forbes, and Washington Post.
They aren’t saying you should skip college and just trade. If you followed their beliefs at all, you’d find the opposite. They want you to do something the rich people do: Generate a passive income. Would you rather work a job you hate just because it pays the bills? Or would you rather make money doing something 3-4 hours a week and for the rest of your time do what you want to do with your life? If that means going to college and getting a degree in your chosen subject that you are passionate about but pays almost nothing? So be it. This specifically was stated by Amy in one of her posts. In the first two lessons, FREE TO EVERYONE lessons, they specifically state this is not a get rich quick scheme. But with the course, you are able to do what you enjoy.
Do you need proof that the employees of company X are getting paid every two weeks before you commit 40 hours a week to them? Granted, you don’t usually have to pay a company to hire you, unless you do something like Avon or something of that nature. Here’s the difference: You sign up to sell Avon or X product and pay the startup costs. You don’t put the effort or time into it. What happens? Nothing. You make no progress and no money. They don’t give you anything back. I don’t see you bad-mouthing them. Infinite-Prosperity actually openly advertises that they will refund you if within 30 days you decide the course won’t change your life. Who else does that? I don’t need them to prove to me that they make money from it. Want to know what almost anyone would do if you emailed them out of nowhere and asked for their proof-of-income? Me personally, you’d be lucky if I finished reading your message, let alone respond.
I read some of their content, looked over a few sites calling them a “scam”, did a search on twitter for “#infinite-prosperity” to find anyone talking about it.. Those are the ones you want to look for because that finds everything. Not just the so called “faked” pictures you seem fascinated by. It shows the people up at 3 AM studying, the ones who lost money because they are learning, the ones who made money because they are now understanding it. You state that you had to hunt for pricing for the course. I typed in infinite-properity.com, clicked on “Become A Member” and there it was. One click and I had that information. How “hard” did you really look? I did my research and came to this conclusion: Their lowest priced course is $349. If this is a scam, I lost $349. If this isn’t a scam, I lost a massive opportunity to start relying on myself, instead of a company that couldn’t care less about me and will replace me at a moment’s notice because I went to my daughter’s birthday party instead of sweeping their floor before closing. Risk vs reward on that… Infinite. I’d rather take a chance and put the effort in to be able to quit my day job at 28 and spend the best years of my life with my kids than to spend it working for 12 hours a day to barely pay my bills. And guess what, at 27, 8 months after starting the lessons, I’m using my tax return to start trading and start another investment account. Next week, I’m taking a real estate class. That’s three separate incomes right there. Want to know what happens when your boss walks up and says “you’re fired” or tells you “the company is downsizing and we have to lay you off”? You lose everything. Want to know what happens to me if I lose 1 income stream? Nothing. I find another one to replace it, all while all my bills are paid. By my 28th birthday, I will be at home with my family, or at a zoo watching my kids smile and point at the kangaroos, because sitting in that damn cubicle wasn’t doing it for me.
Thanks for the comment! Unfortunately, we are just going to have to respectfully disagree on this one.
I wish you the best of luck with your trading. And hope to read more of your comments in the future.
Man those guys and gals at IP must be hurting to put out this complete nonsense post. I swear if anyone of these clowns wrote a post saying I trade IP’s method profitably and Emmett I am willing to show you my brokerage statements to prove it and heck I will even allow you to run the robot on my trading as evidence, I would die of a heart attack. Of course it would be 1000 times better if that statement was be done by IP not one of its supposedly students. Back to the post, seriously where do I even begin:
“They keep their trading accounts secret because of people like you that come out of the woodwork and want to get involved in every detail of their personal lives. No one needs to prove anything to you or anyone else.”
Who cares about their personal lives, we just want to know if they can trade profitably. And no one needs to buy a trading education course from trading educator salespeople who show no proof they can trade profitably.
“Do you need proof that you’ll get a job once you have your degree before you pay $60,000 in tuition for it? “
First you should research a career to make sure there are job opportunities before spending $60K in tuition. Let’s say you major in accounting. You can actually find accountants working in that field. We are yet to find any real evidence IP or any of IP students can trade profitably. In fact you are more likely to see a Unicorn.
“Would you rather work a job you hate just because it pays the bills? “
This is one of many people are suckered into trading education, but sadly after wasting your money on IP education (from the evidence I have seen) you will just be out more money and still not be a profitable trader.
“Do you need proof that the employees of company X are getting paid every two weeks before you commit 40 hours a week to them? “
Actually there are people that have had problem with getting paid by their employer, but you can sue them. What does being scammed by your employer have to do with buying a trading education course.
I will not continue to go on as your post is just more of the same crap about how you are making money and yet never show any proof.
Here is the bottom line and the only thing that matters, IP has refused to show any proof they have ever taken a live trade more less show they can trade the method they sell profitably. They are typical trading educators re-selling trading concepts available for free and then post positive reviews all over the place to scam people out of their money. Your bar is very low for spending your money. I tell you what I have a course I will sell you for $348. You can send me the money via Western Union. And by your own words below you should buy it. After all you require no proof the crap I am selling can be traded profitably by me or anyone else. Oh I will add a post in this blog, in another name, saying how I was 28 and how the crap trading education course I am selling changed my life.
“Their lowest priced course is $349. If this is a scam, I lost $349. If this isn’t a scam, I lost a massive opportunity to start relying on myself, instead of a company that couldn’t care less about me and will replace me at a moment’s notice because I went to my daughter’s birthday party instead of sweeping their floor before closing. “
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Or a kangaroo for our southern hemisphere customers.
It is Great to hear from one of my many past successful students. I remember that 1st call and how your wife left you and took you for everything you had and only left you with the bones and how you had to put those beautiful daughters through college and how on top of all that how you just lost your job and the bill collectors where hunting you down. Not to mention the repo guy.
I am so glad my training has turned you into a successful trader. I saw that new convertible BMW you bought. It was amazing. Are you joining us for our cruise around the world conference this year?
Can you believe how that evil criminal minded Emmett tells others not to buy my course because I refuse to pay his vig? I could pay it and get a 1000 students, but I must stand on principals. My daddy told me no matter what I must be honest and stand on my principals.