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Summary
Ace does not trade. He just talks, very excitedly and fast. Admittedly, Ace is sort of fun to listen to. The Ace Trades room is more of a carnival of hustle, and Ace is the lead barker. This guy is pure hustle.
User Review
( votes)Ace Trades Review
Welcome and thanks for reading today’s review of a day trading room and educational advisory that goes by the name Ace Trades. The Ace Trades trading room offers three items for sale. A “Gold” package that costs $3,500, a Platinum package that costs $5,500, and a Diamond package that costs $9,800. All three packages include the same set of special Ace Indicators. The only difference between the three packages is the allotted amount of time that is included with the Ace Trading Room. The gold package includes 6 months, platinum includes one year, and the diamond includes lifetime access.
Over the past year, I have received over 20 individual requests from prospective purchasers to review Ace Trades. This past June 2014, I signed up for a free, three day trial of Ace’s live day trading room. After the three day trial expired, I then signed up for subsequent free, three day trials, using an alias name and email address. Also, each subsecquent sign up used different IP addresses. I use different IP addresses to give the appearance that different people were showing up at the trading room. Experience has taught me that if a trading room moderator notices the same prospective customer continuously showing up, they will attempt to craft a narrative.
From June 2014, through April 10 2015, I collected nearly 40 full trading sessions lasting anywhere from 2-4 hours in length, for each day’s trading session. Normally, I would only record about 30 days worth of trading sessions. However, my Uncle passed away last December, and then my father passed away this past February. Both events forced me to start and stop. However, I was able to collect more than enough camtasia screen recordings that gave me plenty of material to work with.
Inside the Ace Trades Trading Room
The hallmark of a good trading room is that moderator will show their trading DOM, or entry and exit prices placed directly on top of the charts. The most preferable method is a trading DOM, which shows the live account profit and loss directly on the screen. The trading DOM also shows whether an order has actually been filled, or the order is just parked and working. From June 2014 through April 2015, not once did I ever see a trading DOM. Every single day that I recorded the trading session, I requested that a trading DOM be shown, but I was denied every single time. In addition, at the end of each trading session, I asked that Ace please show a screen shot to room participants that showed entry and exit orders. Not once was my request ever fulfilled. Finally, since I was on the nightly update that Ace sent out, I requested that he verify the day’s trading with an account statement, not once did he comply.
So what is inside the Ace Trade’s trading room? Truthfully, its hard to explain. There is no actual trading. But there is plenty of carnival barking. Let me explain: the market would start moving higher and faster and Ace would then start screaming and shouting uncontrollably throwing out all form of exciting language to tell us how the Ace Trades indicators had called it beforehand. And then, after the market had moved for awhile, Ace would then start screaming and shouting a reversal. In all honesty, there is no sense to this man, he reminds me of an out of control sportscaster. One minute he is professing how the “The Bulls are Charging! I told you!” and then the next moment, “TAKE HALF OFF, and NOW YOU NEED TO REVERSE!!!”. It was borderline insane and out of control commentary. But the more and more I listened to Ace, and as the days progressed, I began to see the genius of the marketing. And the truth about this whole Ace Trading marketing scheme is that Ace has learned that excitement is contagious, and excitement sells. And who can deny that most people that attend a trading room are looking for fun and excitement, unfortunately this is not how money is made.
A Reoccurring Pattern
Ace has no tested indicators or formula, or anything else that will give you a market edge. However, if you watch his hand crafted, after the fact, post market trading video’s, you will clearly see a reoccurring pattern of being able to perfectly call a market top and a market bottom. The level of deceit is admirable and actually quite entertaining. Most of the time, I would just sit and watch the screen recordings with disbelief than anyone with even the most minimal amount of intelligence could not spot the fraud.
Carnival Barking At Its Finest
When I was a kid, I grew up in rural California, in the flat dusty farmlands of Sacramento Valley. Lots of different 
produce, almonds, cattle, etc. It was a boring life. Except once every year, after the harvest in fall, the carnival would show up. After the harvest was the only time anyone had any money to spend. The carnival would pitch their tents, set up rides, and have a bunch of shows and exhibits. One of the exhibits was the “actual, and real AREA 51 space alien”. Supposedly, it was smuggled out of New Mexico by a communist deserter that wanted to expose the government. The barker in front of the tent dressed up like a NASA space scientist, complete with lab coat adorned with official looking patches. At the entrance of the tent, two armed men looking very official were there to guard the exhibit.
So what was inside the tent? The first time I visited the tent, I was 11 years old. I could of went at 8 or 9, but I was too afraid. But at 11, I mustered the courage and paid the $1 entry fee. At that time $1 is now equivalent to $10 today. It was expensive for me. I distinctly remembered entering the tent. The inside was dark, but on top of a wooden table sat a glass jar that contained about 25 gallons of murky frozen water. In the center of the water was this gooey little alien, with big eyes and a mouth the size of dime. It fucking creeped me out. There was a person that guarded this frozen little alien, and he had a bad attitude and little patience. In fact, he would only allow a viewing of about two minutes before the next viewing began. While you watched the frozen little alien, the lab coated person would talk about the secrets that only he knew and how we should go and tell all of our friends before the government found out and confiscated this mysterious creature. I remember riding my bike as quickly as possible to my best friends home and telling him about the alien. Of course, he scraped together whatever money he could find and even stole a few dollars from his mothers purse, we both went back and paid once again.
The Persistent Mystery
During the next week in school, everyone was talking about that damn alien. Some thought it was fake. But why would armed men be guarding the entry? And what about the man with the lab coat and official patches on his coat? He talked with such enthusiasm and excitement that I could not help myself but be taken in, and believe everything that I was hearing.
A year came and went. But the next Fall, the carnival was back in town. How exciting! Of course, I could not wait to go and have some of my nagging questions answered about the Area 51 alien and how it came to the possession of the carnival. I distinctly remember walking up to the tent, and to my amazement, there was no longer only a single alien, there was now a single frozen alien and a live alien that the carnival kept within a cage. You could pay $1 to see the frozen alien, and $5 to see the real life alien and the frozen alien in a single show. I was so amazed and excited that I immediately spent my entire cash wad and purchased the Live Alien Experience.
Live Alien Experience
I still remember walking down the canvas corridor of the tent, where the live alien was kept. It was inside of a heavy tent. A dark tent. And the temperature within the tent was over 90 degrees and very humid. The doorman explained that the alien had come from a planet that circled close to the sun and he needed a hot environment to survive. The first exhibit was the “frozen alien”, the live alien was kept in an outrageously hot condition. In fact, when entering the live alien tent, the heat was terrible and humid and it smelled disgusting, and it was very dark. I remember thinking to myself, where is this alien and how quickly can I get out of this terribly hot tent. Of course, the live alien was sleeping under a blanket and you could just see enough of the body and face to give the impression that a creature inhabited the space. The blanket even slowly raised and fallen, as if breathing.
I Wanted To Believe
I remember the next few days at school, nobody would stop talking about the live alien experience. Some would question whether it was real, but I would always go back to the talking points established by the guy in front of the tent, wearing the lap coat. The guy wearing that coat was so exciting, so official looking, and he his excitement was so contagious. His enthusiasm is what sold me most. I remember it like yesterday, and it still makes me smile.
Ace Trades and Live Alien Experience
So what does Ace Trades have to do with the Live Alien Experience? If it were not for the very excited person in front of the tent, I would of probably not believed what I was seeing. Just like Ace Trades, he gets excited and talks in an exciting manner, and its contagious and fun to listen to. The following video is a typical video of market action with ACE. Of course, this stuff is pure nonsense. Ace will record market action, and then overlay commentary and trades over the recorded video.
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One Final Note
To date, I have sent Ace over 50 written requests to prove that the trades made in his videos were ever actually executed with his own trading account. Of course, he never responds. Thanks for taking the time to read this review, and don’t forget to leave a message below.
Spot on Byron. I learned a ton about how the markets (and who runs them) “Big Boys”. Ace is legit and NOT for those that need guarantees. You can learn from the best or simply add your name into the endless retailer “wanna be’s”.
After reading all the reviews for about a half hour, I have come to the conclusion that this is one of the places where all those who are not willing to work hard come to cry. You are losers, plain and simple. Trading is a very difficult thing to master because no technique or system works 100% of the time, and it is very hard to gauge what the market is going to do over the next 5/15/30 minutes. It is a probabilities game and one must consider all probabilities in real time, not something for the faint of heart. There is the need for patience, discipline, anticipating news reports, and the pressure of making a living. You must follow well thought out rules to the letter, no exceptions.
I was in Ace’s room for 2 years. 7:30-10:30 every day, never missed a day. Ace is an interesting human to say the least. His keys were at the heart of price action, price action of the big market players, the ones that move the market. Some of the keys were common to what we have seen in other areas, but some of them I have never seen anywhere else, ever. Not on Youtube, not anywhere. It is these that are the primary benefit of joining his group.
I have noticed that many on here demand to see statements of earnings, etc, and I must tell you, you guys are very foolish. You demand statements or proof of earnings because if they are not shown to you, you can cry foul, or scandal, or some such thing, daring whoever to show them to you. So you cry and cry, instead of working hard to learn this difficult occupation. You will never learn by asking for proof, because the secret is working hard, not getting it from someone’s statements. Most of you would be wasting your money because 1. you don’t have enough to work in this occupation, and 2. you are not disciplined with a good work ethic.
In conclusion, Ace is very legit but trading is not for most on this thread. God helps those who help themselves.
can i get a trial link to enable me attend your trading room.
I was in the mentoring program for 13 months. Here are my pure observations: 1. There never was a single trade placed with instruction on how to structure a trade and that includes no DOMs. 2. All the instruction videos were just previous trading days edited to contain just the “educational part” that was covered. 3. When I requested that a live trade be demonstrated, it was refused. 4. Many questions about the trading methodology are answered by the moderator with an accusation of not studying the education videos. 5. The moderator can be bombastic at times. Bottom line: If you can figure out the previous days highs and lows, the pre-market highs and lows and draw trend lines, you already know about 80 per cent of the system. There is no magic formula or holy grail here. In fact most of what is taught is also taught in many other trainer’s programs…often for a lot less money. I cannot endorse or discredit this program.
I took the course; and of course I lost money but I mostly lost expense money; The trading system ACE teaches is basically a “self Directed/ self motivated guiding system” Anyone can feel the market shifts, can test movement pressures, and can execute a trade, but the element of seizure of success rides on a rail line that is controlled by your fear, your greed, and dedication to making “anti-emotional” instant decisions that have robotic-like features. Fear is actually more dangerous than confidence. If you cannot afford to loose $ 100,000.00 dollars in any single year this system is not for you. The base equity required in any discipline is roughly 100k. That’s the price of admission into a rare and magical playroom that very few ever get to enter and where some build a lifetime of fortune. But remember … at the end of the day LUCK still controls the narrative when dealing with the human element.
Hi Emmett. This isn’t the same Ace that goes by the @super1nyc handle on twitter and stocktwits before he was booted off there, is it? It’s a very different chat room based on reading this review. Still a total scam though. I was robbed by the guy who runs it and so were many others. The victims wound up getting in touch after the fact via social media and were able to penetrate all of his aliases. Turns out his name is Michael J Witt from Maspeth, NY. Goes by “Ace”. Hope you wind up reviewing him.
Sorry but I think your review if very simplistic and unfair. First, Ace often shows his Ninja Trader dom. Second, his system is based on identifying reversal boundaries and then trading as price action bounces BETWEEN higher and lower boundaries. Since there’s been a 10 year bull market, it will seem to a casual observer like there is a bearish bias, when in fact it’s simply there are more bearish “between the lines” as new highs are set. In my view the best part of joining his room is that he freely teaches you how to trade on your own with your OWN risk parameters. Sort of the difference between “give a man a fish” (many others) and “teach a man to fish” (Ace Trades).
Thanks for the review. You just saved me about $2500. Had my doubts about this program and you helped to confirm same. Where does he get all these excited people to give glowing testimonials?
Pitiful that no one ever thanked you for this illuminating review. Thank you! You have certainly saved me time — and maybe a lot of money too.
This statement is false. He has shown his account and also showed himself trading as he entered and exited trades. I have seen him trade and his account and he is quite profitable
You lost me at the trump meme.
Thanks for saving me from falling into another scam.
I am a member of AceTrades for over a year. I have been very successful, beyond my wildest dreams. But it was not easy and I had to work very hard learning the intricacies of what at first seemed like a simple system.
I have read this entire blog or stream or review or thread including all comments. First I want to say that I cannot blame anyone for their skepticism because 99.9% of all things that appear too good to be true turn out to be just that. But not this time!
I have come to the conclusion that most if not all of the AceTrades naysayers on this thread do not have an adequate $$$ account size, nor the experience with the markets and understanding what is going on with charts, to be an intraday futures trader. This causes undue pressure, incorrect opinions of the words of any of Ace’s members who may have taken offense with some of the comments here, and it creates the battle cry for “show me proof.”
About that insistence on proof. No one is obligated to show you anything. Think of it this way: If you had your hands on something really valuable, would you want everyone to know? I am sure that myself and any other Acetrades people are on here to speak for Ace about our experiences as a sort of small payback to Ace for teaching us to “fish” for ourselves.
You will never be a successful futures day trader with the pressure of your too-small account size looming. Day trading futures requires that your attention solely be placed on what is happening in the market, what the hard right edge is actually doing. It is first and last a BUSINESS, one with expenses as well as profit/loss. And it takes great patience to slowly build that account up to size.
Business expenses include many things, such as mentorship costs like you have with AceTrades or any other mentor. Without a mentor, you don’t want to go near this occupation.
To sum up, business expenses include a mentorship, the occasional losing trade (no more than 1% of your account risked on any trade), commissions, exchange fees, data fees, computer equipment, internet connection, etc, etc, etc. If you cannot afford all this plus starting with at least 10k in your account, you have NO business day trading futures.
Find an occupation you can afford to do. Successfully.
I thank god every day that I was lucky enough to find AceTrades. I hope you will be able to say that about whatever you find that helps you on YOUR way to success. Good Luck!
Very good review and commentary Wanda; But at the end of the day … ACE i.e. Kevin should at the very least unmask his true identity. The professional trader knows who and what is teaching him/her and also understands the background of that mentor/teacher. What dies Kevin (ACE) have to loose by reveling his true name and capacity? It’s the only right thing for him to do.
He is petty convincing and I did make a little profit on the S&P500 in his trading room, though one session we were told to be on sells, as it was NFpayroll, come 1.30 (GMT) it shot up and he then continued his dialogue saying ”now we’re on buys, watch it go up, just as we predicted” this was a live session and there and then, I could see that his strategy had a few holes, especially as the S&P500 continued to go north despite him saying before 1.30, that we all should be on sells.
Maybe a good idea to check him out and just observe, you get 3 invitations as a guest, I must admit , I don’t know anything about him recording a session and then overlaying his commentary.
It does seem all a bit too good to be true, saying ”we make ex amount of profit every day with no losses”. Bare in mind, he’s been going for a good few years now so his technique is well perfected…well almost!
I was just in his 3 day trial and was thrown out for asking if he traded. Thanks you saved me thousands of dollars.
I was a member in his room. Do not write a review here if you were only in his trial room. That is NOT the real room. The real room reveals his keys and the fact that he will redraw over and over until the trade goes right. He calls it sharpening his pencil.
He has never taken a trade in the room. He has no faith in his own system if he never trades it himself. The main thing is that he pops up a chart with his lines after the price has already moved in his direction. You will always get the feeling that you missed it and wonder if you should get in now that you are late. He will then remove the chart in order to keep you feeling you missed out on his previous call.
His lines are what all of you are doing already. Almost every trade is a short. Even if the market is a strong bull he says bears on tap with his line drawn at the usual area of resistance we all know.
Don’t waste your money. Draw your own lines of resistance and short it. That is his method.
I do not believe that you were a member in his room. All of what you say is wrong. He calls price direction BEFORE it moves, unless he is reviewing prior days examples for educational purposes. And he never cherrypicks examples of his methodology. You felt like you were always missing out because you never took the time to actually study and learn the methodology. I say this because no one could post such a ridiculous comment as yours if they had truly been a member, or if so, you have wasted your money and you have no business day trading futures. AceTrades is the real deal. Newbies beware of trading anything.
I’ve personally been a member of Ace Trades for many years and we havn’t had a losing week. What Ace teaches is easy to understand and once you get it, it just keeps showing up on my chart day after day on different markets.
I suggest if you’re at all serious about trading you should check it out for yourself. Most traders would fail even if they had a winning system. Because everyone has their own baggage and can’t cultivate the winning aspect outside of a trading method such as not over trading and waiting for the poper trade setups to come to them.
Take responsibility for yourself. Best of luck to you all.
Not very often does Acetrades reply to any websites, but this really caught our interest.
Thank you, George, for your review. However, we didn’t see the whole story here on this review. You originally came to Acetrades asking for a payment plan as you clearly stated that you were borrowing money from a friend to trade with and was getting over some sort of past fraud which left you and your wife devastated. We agreed to this payment plan. AS time went on you weren’t taking the time to properly learn the Ace methodology and your account wasn’t doing very well. And you were specifically told not to trade many times over. We talked on the phone and said don’t trade until you understand the Ace methodology first!
Don’t forget that while learning any trading methodology, we all must unlearn all the previous trading habits and have clear emotions.
Trading can be a very emotional journey and surely trading a friend’s money is going to play out on the emotions big time. The emotional pressure would be so tremendous. Remember that Acetrades offered to end your mentorship with you with no more payments or obligations as it wasn’t working out for you. Now as far as I can see the letter you wrote here is really about anger that this didn’t work out and you have not taken responsibility for your own actions. I didn’t see anything on your review here that we came to an agreement about crediting your contract with no further obligations to Acetrades to help you out in this.
(we have all the emails to back up this information and always remember that there are always two sides to every story)
And somethings to remember to all who read these so-called reviews.
1. Education is a journey and all the information we learn is a stepping stone (Just Like Life) .2. You are always responsible for your own trading actions and conduct. 3. Always use a stop loss. 4. Never trade with money you can’t afford to lose. 5. Plan your trades. 6. Cut losses quickly. 7. Avoid over trading and find a swing trading methodology. 8 Exercise Ace key 10 (Patience) 9. Follow a successful trading plan and methodology. 10. Treat Trading like a business. 11. Know when to stop trading.
Conclusion
Understanding the importance of each or these trading rules, and how they work together, can help traders establish a viable trading business. Trading is hard work, and traders who have the discipline and patience to follow these rules can increase their odds of success in a very competitive arena.
Have fun out there and Happy Trading
Acetrades Admin
Not very often does Acetrades reply to any websites, but this really caught our interest.
Thank you, George, for your review. However, we didn’t see the whole story. You originally came to Acetrades asking for a payment plan as you clearly stated that you were borrowing money from a friend to trade with and was getting over some sort of past fraud which left you and your wife devastated. We agreed to this payment plan. AS time went on you weren’t taking the time to properly learn the Ace methodology and your account wasn’t doing very well. And you were specifically told not to trade many times over. We talked on the phone and said don’t trade until you understand the Ace methodology first!
Don’t forget that while learning any trading methodology, we all must unlearn all the previous trading habits and have clear emotions.
Trading can be a very emotional journey and surely trading a friend’s money is going to play out on the emotions big time. The emotional pressure would be so tremendous. Remember that Acetrades offered to end your mentorship with you with no more payments or obligations as it wasn’t working out for you. Now as far as I can see the letter you wrote here is really about anger that this didn’t work out and you have not taken responsibility for your own actions. I didn’t see anything on your review here that we came to an agreement about crediting your contract with no further obligations to Acetrades to help you out in this.
(we have all the emails to back up this information and always remember that there are always two sides to every story)
And somethings to remember to all who read these so-called reviews.
1. Education is a journey and all the information we learn is a stepping stone (Just Like Life) .2. You are always responsible for your own trading actions and conduct. 3. Always use a stop loss. 4. Never trade with money you can’t afford to lose. 5. Plan your trades. 6. Cut losses quickly. 7. Avoid over trading and find a swing trading methodology. 8 Exercise Ace key 10 (Patience) 9. Follow a successful trading plan and methodology. 10. Treat Trading like a business. 11. Know when to stop trading.
Conclusion
Understanding the importance of each or these trading rules, and how they work together, can help traders establish a viable trading business. Trading is hard work, and traders who have the discipline and patience to follow these rules can increase their odds of success in a very competitive arena.
Have fun out there and Happy Trading
Acetrades Admin
His name is Kevin Kelly.
I don’t know Ace or his service, or this reviews website. All I can say for sure, is the part of your review where you say he records real market action then overlays his voice to make it look like he’s calling tops and bottoms, is HORSE CRAP! I sat through the room this morning, watching MY CHARTS in real time, and he was calling the levels to trade from in REAL TIME. He called the price action moving between his levels at least 3 times, while I watched my own charts. Yes he is loud, and I have to agree he sounds like a carnival barker, and I could do WITHOUT that… but hey, if he really calls the market like I saw him do today… I am willing to put up with it!!
Hi,
I came to an arrangement with ACE which was to pay $2000 deposit and I was then to pay a further $1800 in 2 months. During those 2 months I worked very hard and attended every one of his presentations. I was extremely careful not to use the ACE Key Trading Methodology, but only traded for those 2 months on aces direct instructions, when he shouted at the top of his voice the Bears are in control or the Bulls are in control only when he give a clear signal that I buy or sell. During that time over 90% of all trades lost and I lost a pile of money. I wrote to him several times and he said that I should not trade until I fully understood the methodology, I told him that I totally agreed with him 100% and I had no intentions of trading using the methodology until I was an expert in it. However, I told him that I only traded when he said it was time to trade. Much to my surprise and total shock, he wrote back to me and said that I should not trade when he said it was time to trade.
He also greatly exaggerates to the point where I could only describe them as being lies, every day he would shout that they have never had one losing day, that is complete and total nonsense, and then he would give a bit of information, stating that the big boys don’t want you to know this but at Ace they make everything clear. One of the things he talks about is the trading times when the markets are open for business, which he says the big boys don’t want us to know, I have been trading now for over 40 years and at no time did any broker ever tried to withhold any information from me, that he says the big boys don’t want you to know.
If you look closer at his methodology there really is very little that is new in it and it is just the this same as what traders have been using for years. He knows himself that what he is teaching is not 100% as accurate or as good as what he makes out to be, otherwise he would trade himself and he would not keep evading simple questions, like what is his name.
All his shouting is just a matter of trying to cover up the inadequacies of his methodology, if it was solid he would give a proper class, where he would talk normal and take time to explain things, only on 2 occasions can I remember anything like this and several people wrote and said how much they enjoyed the room that day.
This may be the worst review ever written. One thing is certain, you have no clue. Ace is just that, an Ace. Why should any successful person such as he kowtow to your nasty ass? Son, you are in the wrong business.
sent a couple of emails to to aceisanahole@outlook.com but no response yet. Anyone got a reply back from him?
He is an A-hole and I bought his Barking for 7 months. The man should be locked up! Buyer beware
I am only guessing here, but to the casual observer it looks like you contact the vendor and if they don’t pay you money, you will rubbish them here. Correct?
It that were true, then I would have the worst business model in the world. 99.9% of the reviews are negative.
The truth is hiding in plain sight. The trading educational industry is 99.9% fraudulent.
My major income component is Adsense. These are the ads that are annoyingly displayed throughout the site. Google does this automatically, I have no control over the ads.
Thank you for investigating a site that gives the appearance of live trading but delivers fakery instead. Good job.
EJM
Trading is a hard mental business. I have used the system for 5 years because it works and is simple to understand and use. Once I learned the system, I never waited for him to “call” again. I get them in advance and have trained myself to mentally act on them. This is a great system. Easy to understand and learn. How one applies it will always be the bigger question.
Hi Ernie – Since you have no problem here and at futures.io making wild claims of how great ACE is, perhaps you are willing to share trading statements? I cannot wait to hear your excuses why you cannot.
I was in Ace’s room today. He put up a blue line @ 2791.75 stating that was resistance. He says to allow a floor trader probe of .75 which means to put your stop at 1 pt above the blue line. Now while this is happening, all pre-market, he adds 2 additional lines. One @ 2793 and one @ 2794.50. At this time, he’s telling everyone who isn’t in a position to have patience. That the market is going to move higher and that his 2793 & 2794.50 blue lines were just pre-qualifier lines. It’s not until the market starts moving away from one of his blue lines that he starts screaming to be on bears but by that time, we’re 1.5 –
2 pts away from the blue line. Think about this strategy for a minute. He’s basically allowing himself a 4 pt stop to get this thing right. If your first position gets taken out but the 2793 holds, he’ll yell and scream that his system is perfect. Today, we had gone up to 2794.25 before dropping so he was wetting his pants in delirium yelling that everyone should be one bears and that he told us “with perfection” long before. Plus, if the market had gone up, and taken out these blue lines, he’ll just say that’s part of trading and “so what if we get a small stop now and then”.
When i dared to question him about this today and pointed out that he didn’t actually make the short call until the market had moved at least 1 1/2 pts away from his blue line, he terminated my access to his room. He wouldn’t even discuss it.
He knows he’s a phony. Once you discover that and confront him, he’ll just cancel you because he knows there are many other suckers out there that won’t question his Ace Key Methodology.
Don’t waste your time and your money.
Ace trades is the real deal. I tried his free 3 session offer and whilst i was entirely sceptical, by the second session I had made up my mind to join his members room. Why? Ace called many many live trades with not one error. Having joined I now see he does not get every call correct just nearly all of them. I wish I came across them 15 years ago – oh well, better now than never. So, What are the 9 Ace Keys? Sorry I agreed on sign up not to divulge and you have to pay as I did. I can say that they are easy to learn and include using information given by the likes of Wycoff. But it’s not Wycoff. I have and will not be paid in any way to comment on this. If anyone is serious about this then email me and I may be willing to engage with a fellow trader to confirm what I say here. Unless this post is deleted by someone ignorant.
Please come and shill for my fantasytradingroom dot com. I need more suckers, ahem, valued customers, to sign up, and I can see that you are a master at bagging them.
If you want Ace’s 9 keys for free send an email to aceisanahole@outlook.com and they will be sent to you. This is a legitimate offer because Ace stole his 9 keys from someone else and aceisanahole@outlook.com has them and will send them to you. Don’t fall for the shill BS. None of them, not Ace, not a single shill who comes here to try and con you out of your money has ever agreed to show evidence of this success using these magic keys. Why not? Because they and the 9 keys don’t produce winning trades. Go on Ace, make me eat my words. Let Emmett log on to your brokerage account or produce your tax statements.
Pls can i have this 9 keys pls
Check your email. I think that Ace Dick has sent you something.
I sent an email to aceisanahole@outlook.com and did not receive a reply… imakewinningtrades@gmail.com Thank you
What’s is your email address.
aceisanahole@outlook.com
I was a member for 3 months. The article claims that Ace’s data feed is not real time. He is not correct. I matched his video to my live ThinkOrSwim video and it matched tick for tick every day for 6 months. Ace stresses use of a simulator to learn his system, and he is absolutely right. Using his system takes some courage, since it is a bit different than others I have seen.
I notice you say “I was a member…” ‘Nuf said.
Do you know aces 9 keys..if you did you would understand what he is doing when he says get in, take half, reverse etc..well do you know his 9 keys? Well if you don’t why not pony up the $4 Grand and find out what you have been bad-mouthing him about without any knowledge as to why you are doing it. His system works but he is not going to tell you how it works unless you buy into the system..duh…
Golly Gee Steve. You are sure as shooting. Can I send my 4K Western Union and get signed up right away so I too can know the secret? He must be like an angel to help us poor clueless people out. Thank his blessed heart.
Lan sakes and bless my behind. What a gentleman to help us ignorant folks out for just $4,000. Well once I sell a kidney to that nice man in India I’m gonna sign right up too.
Or maybe I’ll send an email to aceisanahole AT outlook DOT com and get the system that he copied his 9 keys from for FREE! Gosh darn it I wish I wasn’t so stupid because then I could work out which one of those choices was the smart thing to do.
Rob B
Check your email used for this site.
The system works.. best I have seen and I’ve looked at lots (say at least 100). If you know his 9 keys and utilize his blue line trading method, it is very hard to lose money..
Another shill post. No proof offered for the claims made. If you want the system send an email to aceisanahole@outlook DOT com
Hello there,
I had reviewed this guy’s trading ‘school’ but decided to check the free, 3 day webinar he offers.
I just came from that webinar and couldn’t attend past 20 minutes.
Reason? You have already mentioned above how he literally ‘barks’ at his non-sense system, which I doubt it exists.
Now the reason I am writing this review is because someone like me in audience attending first time asked, how many losing days you had?
His bogus reply (screaming at that person): He’s asking ME how many losing days we have? TELL HIM EVERYONE, HOW MANY? NONE!
Instead, this guy says his system is perfect! What an idiot!
Even if you’re a newbie in trading or 20 year old veteran, ALMOST EVERYONE on this planet know THERE IS NO PERFECT SYSTEM! YOU WILL HAVE LOSSES!
I couldn’t bear this garbage so I quit and wrote this here to make everyone aware NOT TO buy his system because he doesn’t even show any profits in DOM or any financial statements.
If you really want to buy his system, you will need my good luck because you will lose all the time.
I was a member in his room. First, Emmett’s analysis of his trading room is in error because his trial room is NOT his real room. I even entered on a trial while I was a member to compare both rooms. They were totally different. His real room is like a carnival ride. He constantly puts up his chart on one instrument, takes it off the screen, puts up another instrument, takes it off the screen. Then he pops it back on if it goes his way saying who got bears or bulls. I never could figure out when to get in the trade. This is his secret, to keep you guessing. You may think you missed his 5 second chart display and blame yourself. But in fact he shows the blue lines after the fact most times. The lines you see in his trial room are horizontal when his real room are drawn different to show his keys. All I can say about his method is that it is basic charting lines that everybody knows. The trial room is better than the real room because he leaves the chart up all the time. He never enters a trade himself, no DOM, or anything to indicate he trades.
You will go crazy trying to enter trades after he says for example stick with bears on Gold. You are not near the blue line and don’t know to enter on a retracement to the line or just enter. You ask how did I miss that? Did he pop a chart up while I sneezed? If the trade goes against him, he skips it like it didn’t exist.
He trades real time, not showing you what could have happened at a 4 o’clock seminar at 4pm..if you were in his 3 day free seminar you will see it’s real time and not some pre-recorded B’s that most seminars have. The only reason I bought into the system is because I saw him make money day after day real time and if you follow his trade recommendations you would make money too..
More of the same shill posts with nothing to back them up. One shill trying to dupe the naive and the desperate. If you fall for this you need help. Send an email to aceisanahole@outlook DOT com for the system he wants you to pay thousands for.
I was a member in his room. First, Emmett’s analysis of his trading room is in error because his trial room is NOT his real room. I even entered on a trial while I was a member to compare both rooms. They were totally different. His real room is like a carnival ride. He constantly puts up his chart on one instrument, takes it off the screen, puts up another instrument, takes it off the screen. Then he pops it back on if it goes his way saying who got bears or bulls. I never could figure out when to get in the trade. This is his secret, to keep you guessing. You may think you missed his 5 second chart display and blame yourself. But in fact he shows the blue lines after the fact most times. The lines you see in his trial room are horizontal when his real room are drawn different to show his keys. All I can say about his method is that it is basic charting lines that everybody knows. The trial room is better than the real room because he leaves the chart up all the time. He never enters a trade himself, no DOM, or anything to indicate he trades.
You will go crazy trying to enter trades after he says for example stick with bears on Gold. You are not near the blue line and don’t know to enter on a retracement to the line or just enter. You ask how did I miss that? Did he pop a chart up while I sneezed? If the trade goes against him, he skips it like it didn’t exist.
I was somewhat confused myself about the trades when I was in the PAID trading room. But after watching his videos on YouTube I got a better understanding of what he is doing.
Really! This is a recommendation? You couldn’t work out the system when you were in the PAID room so you had to go to Youtube. Write to aceisanahole@outlokk DOT com for the system. Save yourself thousands and still get the rubbish system.
Hi everyone the date today is April 26 2017 I would normally not get involved but I signed up for ACE free 3 day trial and spent over an hour reading all these comments so today a 7:30 I logged in shut down my Interactive Broker platform so I would not be tempted to trade. I watched and watched first expecting a major delay in quotes so I used my trial version of Ninja with free data feed to compare Yes I could have used IB paper account but I don’t like their charts. What I found was the total opposite of what this room complains about. Maybe because some of the post are a year old but the quotes on his screen and mine from 7:30 am to 10:30 was 100 % within micro seconds of mine so there is no way he is overlaying as mentioned. Also because of these comments I actually had multiple opportunities to made a serious profit.
He gave out numbers on CL and ES that were bang on. He may have a recording of todays trading room if you watch it you will see the numbers on the ES were bang on all the way to 4:15 especially at the 2383 he mentioned to watch for before 10:30 am. 2386.25 – 2388 watch then look at todays data, those numbers held till 4:15 so I had to write this because I can’t figure out what I’m missing. Even on CL he said it will bounce at 49.03 ok I do believe it went lower because the data was coming out at 10:30 then went up and hovered around 49.20 for a bit, he says stay long which is crazy because it was almost 10:30. At that point it shot straight up from 49.20 ish to 50.17 over the next 45 min’s or so, I was there watching live. Sorry but there is no way he can make this stuff up. I have another day with him tomorrow we’ll see how that goes but I think you all are to hard on the guy. Oh and who cares if he doesn’t trade live. I joined a room with CFRN and he trades, teaches a bit fixes issues along with replying to the room and emails, go in CFRN’s free pass and you’ll see that there is no way to do all that and watch the market, he circles countless missed trades because he’s replying to someone. Not saying I’m going to join his room I will decide soon but I think he needs another review from this crowd. Hopefully tomorrow will be as great as today.
PS I’ll be honest it was loud just as mentioned at the beginning I almost couldn’t take it, my son said Dad what the hell are you listening to but then found myself liking it, he kinda grows on you. Oh and the Mongo guy does sound like him LOL he doesn’t take crap from anyone LOL
Ace could shut down all the debate by providing his trading statements to Emmett. “To date, I have sent Ace over 50 written requests to prove that the trades made in his videos were ever actually executed with his own trading account. Of course, he never responds.” That says it all.
Ace has repeatedly refused to show any proof he trades profitably. It is one thing to talk about trades, but the rubber hits the road when you have to actual take entries, have stop loss and exit profitable and do it consistently. If and when you go live and take his trades then report back and if profitable over time you can do something neither Ace or his followers have been able to do and that is show Emmett proof that someone can trade his method profitable. I for one wish you the best of luck in trading Ace’s trade calls profitable.
Quite telling that ‘Ace’ lists his business address as a UPS store: Ace Trades Corp. 4-115 First St. Suite 341 Collingwood, Ontario L9Y4W3 Canada
http://www.theupsstore.ca/131/
I attended the 3 day carnival, 2nd day today march 30- 17 – two words come into my mind total and scam. it was all bears and we re trading bears but once the market raced upwards he says stuff like we got resistance but never admits that his trade calls are losers, theres lottsa entertainment available for free on the web, you dont gotta pay $ 5000 for it –
btw he even got his his mexican cleaner to record a ‘review’ talking about how she makes thousands of dollars form his ‘methodology’-well there is no methodology its just him shoutin his mouth off after the event-
also I did audio sampling of 4 of the male voice testimonials and its all the same person !
theres only one thing that ace is ace at but he’s not ace enough to fool me
Ace is providing entertainment. And truth be told…he is a really good entertainer. As the prices zoom back and forth, he adds colorful commentary. Its like watching a hockey game, or a football game.
Emmett- your review could not be further from the truth…..I was just in Ace’s free 3 day Live Trade Room and witnessed him calling out, way before the actual trade, where to enter the trade and when to take profit….all in REAL TIME….in the 3 day Live Trade Room over 70+ points were called and I was paper trading the whole time and made over $700 trading just one contract….so I do not know why you are spewing these deceitful lies because I witnessed and traded exactly what he told the room to trade, ahead of time and entered and exited nothing but winning trades!
Ace is amazing.
If you want the indicators that Ace apparently pilfered from someone else send an email to aceisanahole at outlook dot com
I can’t believe how so many people are trashing a system that they never really have explored up-close and personal. The demonstrations referred to in the above article are just that – demonstrations. Until you actually visit the member’s website (as a paid member) to explore the full training material, and until you actually join the full-time LIVE market analysis and commentary, you have absolutely no clear perspective whatsoever on the full extent and validity of the training this course encompasses. The author above who reviewed the system is full of BS.
I joined the training about 2 months ago and am totally satisfied with what I have received, and continue to receive on a daily basis. My trades are profitable to my satisfaction. Yes, the classes can be filled with boisterous enthusiasm, but why the fuck would you care if you are making money? I don’t.
In fact, the level of excitement is one of the things that attracted to the training room. Btw, psychologically speaking, a heightened state of arousal serves to reinforce learning. And who wants a boring, monotonous training program anyway? Not me.
Please read the review.
“One Final Note
To date, I have sent Ace over 50 written requests to prove that the trades made in his videos were ever actually executed with his own trading account. Of course, he never responds.”
By the way is anyone wants the system that Ace ripped off to create his system write to aceisanahole@outlook.com
Stray Dog, I would be interested in taking a look at the system that Ace seems to have “borrowed” from Kingfisher. As all those associated with Ace state that attending the trading room training is a must, prior to making a decision on spending so much money, I want to at least get an idea of what all this is based on… Would you please be so kind to send me the system info (keys, methodology, whatever basic info is available in written format)? Please use crezeanu at gmail. Thank you.
Hi, can u verify all trades executed by aces’ methodology? From when you started to current
You said,quote “Until you actually visit the member’s website (as a paid member) to explore the full training material, and until you actually join the full-time LIVE market analysis and commentary, you have absolutely no clear perspective whatsoever on the full extent and validity of the training this course encompasses”.
Do you really mean that ? Why should I throw away $5K or more to know that your ace is a scam? Why not just show verifiable proof that you trade real live account. I have attended the trial days twice,and was disconnected for demanding for a verifiable proof of trades said to have been called in advance.
@ Bob, “Why not just show verifiable proof that you trade real live account.” Bob, never bring logic to a shill fight.
[sarcasm]You are just afraid to get rich. What is a mere $5k? When the method is so perfect.[/sarcasm]
Did they forget to ask you that?
hi to all… Ive been many times in ACE trade’s room and I think that Ace doesnt show all, obviosly. He is selling his trade system, if he show all that you need maybe he couldnt make business. He never place orders on live room, it is true… but he place a “blue line” to indicate the place where we have to put the order when his pattern is working. After that, he place targets. He predict the market directions using local top and bottom. Most of people on room are happy and crazy because they win a lot of money with Ace trade system. Watching the free access is not enough to know if Ace trade is a skin-game or not.
ACE was a former student of Kingfisher. The Kingfisher method has 9 keys and the 10 point move is called Bingo and a 20 point move is called Yatzee. ACE has the same system with the identical 9 keys, and calls a 10 and 20 point move poker hand names instead like the ACE 10 point straight. No need to shell out $3500 to see the 9 keys and method. A while back I emailed ACE and asked if he could provide proof of his trades. Hi sent me a disparaging email back. Well, this is payback. You will see what creates his magic blue lines.
I am always learning, so I would like to take a look. Maybe we are giving Ace a raw deal with out critical attitude, who knows?
cynthiabwedding at jourrapide.com
Tamiaya,
I forgot that the address I gave below strips all attachments. I have sent you email form a different address. The message subject mentions the “cynthiabwedding” address. Maybe it has ended up in your SPAM folder?
Cyn, I would be interested in taking a look at the system that Ace seems to have “borrowed” from Kingfisher. As all those associated with Ace state that attending the trading room training is a must, prior to making a decision on spending so much money, I want to at least get an idea of what all this is based on… Would you please be so kind to send me the system info (keys, methodology, whatever basic info is available in written format)? Please use crezeanu at gmail. Thank you.
why would you be interested at all in that hopeless scam?
Yes please my email especially set up for this is: aceisanahole@outlook.com
Send me the 9 key set up system please.
I wondered about his system and would really like to see the nine keys
he brags about .
TIA
jack
Tamiaya, I would be interested in taking a look at the system that Ace seems to have “borrowed” from Kingfisher. As all those associated with Ace state that attending the trading room training is a must, prior to making a decision on spending so much money, I want to at least get an idea of what all this is based on… Would you please be so kind to send me the system info (keys, methodology, whatever basic info is available in written format)? Please use crezeanu at gmail. Thank you.
Nothing says “professional” like a foul-mouthed individual trolling for Ace. Seriously? This Mongo’s vulgar diatribes tells me all I need to know about whether Ace is legit or not. If his responses don’t put you in full retreat of shelling out $3500, you are not a rational person.
I agree with one of the other posts here…Mongo = Ace.
You know something Emmett and speaking of TURDS (as you reference in one your many worthless reviews), yer the biggest turd on the planet…The mindless lemmings that follow your opinion (on this worthless blog) are obviously mental idiots who most likely can’t trade and need people like you to give their life purpose and meaning.
Who’d really follow or take value in a one-sided, unsubstantiated and unfounded reviews that you spew on this blog…idiots, that’s who. You jump into a room, you come out and trash talk them because YOU didn’t get to see their trading journal? Really dude so that alone make them worthy of your trash talk? What a complete tool you are.
BTW, if these instructors/teachers are such scam artists, then WHY aren’t the very people who actually join their rooms in HERE backing your story? cuz they don’t exist that’s why? I’ve been w/ Ace for almost a year, seen dozens and dozens of new/old come in and out of the room…NOT ONE of these people has EVER visited your blog to denounce ACE and his bad assery – NOT ONE! Why is that? Hmmm…Surely they’ve heard of the all-powerful turd eater “Emmett Moore”…and that his word is gospel…surely they’d be jamming up this blog with their rebukes and claims of “scam-artist” charades…right? So then where are they? The only people who talk shit are the uninformed, blog minded numb-nuts that seem to have nothing better to do than trash talk people they do NOT know – what a pathetic existence.
Oh by the way, in one of your many “turdish” reviews you reveal to some lemming that you’re not that intelligent and somewhat uneducated…NO SHIT Sherlock! I believe it, especially after reading MOST of your crappy reviews. Find a new career because you suck at this one.
And yes the link below is about someone ripping you a new A-hole…do I believe it? Who cares…it just goes to show you that you can believe NONE of what you read/hear and only 1/2 of what you see – which pretty much sums of the VALUE of the shit you write.
Rise up people, think for yourselves…leave this imbecile to rot in his own abysmal existence or idiocy and trash talking.
http://tradingschools.info/2015/08/05/a-review-of-emmett-moore/
BTW, opinions are like assholes, everybody has one, some just stink more than others…Yours Emmett is the smelliest of all. Nice work you turd.
XOXOXO – MM
He is the one doing the review. Who else do you expect to be the one to look at the verification documents? Your logic is so defective that it is hardly surprising that you have now degenerated into hurling insults.
Oops! Ace Trading must have really misled you so badly that you have blown your account, which would account for your anger towards the person who told you the truth that you ignored.
Hey Major Bongload, since you are pimping on this site for your butt buddy, Ace in the Hole, put up or shut up. Let’s see, you have spent about 30 hours on this site in a hilarious attempt to justify your grandiose success. Would have been much easier to take 5 minutes to show everyone your account statement. But we all know that is not going to happen. Guru talk is cheap, and the guru’s minion talk is less than that. Actually, I feel quite sorry for you.
forgive my observation, that you mm seem to be one of those mindless lemmings following Emmett’s opinion. where is the profit in that for you, I wonder?
Your tradingschools.info website is a very lame attempt at defamation, Ace/Mongo. That “review” is the only content on the site, which was obviously constructed to divert online searchers from Emmett’s factual review of you and what you sell. Thankfully, this site and this review exist and can spare people from paying to support your nefarious nonsense.
I love my haters.
major mongo
I have been on a few of ace trade free reviews I believe he has a system I would like to investigate further can you reach out to me so I can speak with you my email js34724@ gmail.com this is an old email address so I only check a couple of times a month
Hey gang…I’m back, miss me? So glad to hear it. Time for another “ACE is the place” market update. Ok, so WHO here grabbed the 100 tick move today on CL? Ace and his cadre of master traders, that’s who. Guess what? I saw it with my own two eyes…absolutely masterful. I was off in other markets cuz the ACE method works in every/all markets. So this CL trade CALLED BEFORE IT HAPPENED (live)…like mid-47’s to 46’s??? are you kidding me? Who does that? Ace does…day in, day out. And just wait for the Fall, when these lazy Summer trading doldrums awaken. Get in now, learn the method and TAKE action — you will not regret it!
BTW, so glad that the bright, intelligent and open-minded have reached out to me to ask my personal experience within the Ace method…YOU are and will continue to be rewarded. Glad you were able to remove yourself from the pin-headed, inept and closed-minded Emmettian mindset… and not continue to listen to this Douche’ bag. I mean just read the CON-report on Emmett Moore below. WHO in their right mind or even 1/2 a brain would listen to ONE word this obvious felon and fraudster spins. Read below…I simply copied and pasted his glorious track record.
Before you read this…ask yourself this question. IF don’t believe what you read below, how can you allow yourself to read and believe the stuff that Emmett Moore rights in his crappy blogs? More less, how can you believe me? Well truth is you can believe none of what you hear and only 1/2 of what you see. And for those that have reached out to me personally and have spoken to me about Ace…YOU know that 1) I do not work for Ace. 2) am a student and 3) have without hesitation stated that in my 20+ years of reading the crap of “the” Emmett Moore’s and listening to the BS marketers that pump their worthless crap to unsuspecting retail traders (you and me) that I have NEVER seen anything quite like ACE and his mastery of the markets – NEVER!
And here’s a takeaway…lets say that you jump on the Ace-train…you LEARN and master his method, THEN YOU decide…”eh, its not for me, not my style, yada-yada”…I will GUARANTEE YOU THIS. You will NEVER look at the markets the same AND you WILL use what you learned with Ace in your trading for the REST OF YOUR LIFE? Why? because it’s HOW the markets work – ALL of them; Equities, Futures, Forex…pick one. So did you get that? YOU WILL USE what you learned in Ace’s room – FOR THE REST OF YOUR TRADING CAREER – GUARANTEED.
Ok, now YOU get to decide what you want to do all on your own. Don’t believe me, Ace, Emmett or anyone for that matter…but, IF you ever wondered what it MIGHT be like to find total clarity in ANY market…you do owe it to yourself to TAKE A CHANCE and give Ace your attention. He is a SOLID dude, cares about his pupils, has a STRONG distaste for the unethical and garbage spewers (insert Emmett Moore)…and WANTS YOU TO SUCCEED!
Again, not sure if you bagged 100 ticks in CL, maybe only 10 or 20 or 50…but do that EVERYDAY, you can have a pretty solid trading career – ya think?
Anyhow, enjoy the reviews of the CON-man Emmett Moore and do yourself a favor, stop following this tool…he truly is a POS.
Love ya all, ~ MM
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A Review of Emmett Moore
August 5, 2015 A Review of Emmett Moore
Pros – None so far.
Cons – historical: On his site, Moore admits:
– Excessive and illegal cocaine and narcotics use
– 8 year crime spree involving securities and tax fraud
– Freely and closely worked with criminal organizations
– Convicted SEC felon – spent 3 years in a federal penitentiary.
– In one litigation alone – 22 count Commercial Express – there were 700 victims (a word Moore never uses) nationwide and $18MM in loss.
– Never posted a single future trade, never ran a trade room, zero futures experience that can be verified.
– He says in review of rooms over and over, “Don’t Believe Me”.
– Well, you will see this could be his most truthful statement.
Major Mongo I missed you! Good to have you back.
Emmett – you sly dog you…so tell me…all those things I read about you, Felony convictions? Fraud – say it ain’t so (or do I have the wrong Emmett Moore? – hope so cuz you have a whole slew of lemmings up here in the “house of Moore (or less) that follow your every word…it’s like they don’t have a brain amongst the entire crew of them. But hey, no need to throw out uninformed or misgguided “chatter” – I mean really, who do you believe, who can you trust? Why would I beleive anything I read online or some blog, right? BTW, Ace says hello…I think he misses you as well.
pce out ya’ll – hope you make your daily bread tomorrow.
~ MM
thank you Emmett, this was very helpful and appreciate you sharing your childhood experience to encapsulate what ACE is selling. Wendy Kirkland does provide statements for her system if you didn’t already know. I’ll go to your site to learn more about who is legit and among the best. This surely is what I’m hoping to find
IF Ace is not a fraud then how come he does not trade a live account in his trading room and show his results since he has been using his method? It seems he is an armchair quarterback who wants people to think he is a successful trader.The only thing this guy ever makes money at in trading is selling his overpriced trading method!
Nick, how do you know Ace does NOT trade live in his account? I was in his room this morning and yes, his DOM was up and have to tell ya…its had a lot of GREEN on it…probably more than most people make in a 40 hour/week JOB. So yes, he trades live and NO, he doesn’t have to prove “donkey-dung” to anyone. Some will take a chance, some won’t cus they listen to fraudulent cons like Emmett Moore and some will (I did) and many others…heck, quite a few people from here I’ve actually spoken too…they get it, got on board and ain’t looking back brother. So sit amongst the uninformed or should I say misinformed, continue to wallow in the shallow thinking of Emmett Moore and simply risk the opportunity to finally discover how the Wall-Street “Big-boys” continually take candy from those uneducated. BTW, Ace called a sweet CL trade this morning (LIVE) and I think it ran maybe 120? ticks? wow, dunno about you but I think that’s a crap-load of money? Wake up folks and use your own judgement…and for those that can wade thru the crap-abyss of this worthless blog, step into the light of ACE’s masterful methodology.
XOXOXO ~ MM
Hey gang, hope yer well.
Nicolas, Soros, glad to hear you find some validity in the Ace Method. But sorry fellas yer way off the mark – yer assessment of the Ace method is shallow and missing a ton of key substance…heck you two are aren’t as bad as the twit below (Eric Peterson) who just blurts out as if he’s passing gas “Ace is a Scam”, but I have to hand it to you, you’ve spent alot of time trying to figure out the magic of Ace’s system…yer just missing all the critical elements. HTF swing points? Don’t know how he enters? Don’t know his targets? yer right…you really don’t have a clue…but hey, on this blog filled of weak argumentative naysayers…at least you’re in the right place – keep guessing and wasting TIME trying figuring it out…it’ll only cost you in the long run.
Hell it’s like going to the all-day buffet and filling up on jello-squares…you missed the “meat n taters” boys. Market Profile (pass), Reading books by Jim Dalton” ??? why waste your time…and for the noob…heck if I had found Ace when I first started, I’d a saved a boat load of time and money on all the BS you two just alluded to.
Truth of the matter is…your assessment of Keys or S&R is solid logic but a bit shallow in it’s totality of “the whole”…And quite frankly, I’ve seen no one put together the “whole package” as does the Ace-inator. I mean how many people can project “targets” on ANY market and OFTEN to the tick and WELL in advance. You see it’s way more that S&R and High/lows yada, yada…sure folks into Price Action trading use all sorts if pivots and S&R to see reactions…but its got way more substance to it. Ace is not a scam, he’s a wizard…big diff. And I see NEW people come into the room weekly, most thinking they have a good grasp of how the “big boys” take your lunch money, day in, day out…BUT not until they’ve left all their BS “bad habits” at the door and truly immerse themselves into ALL of Ace’s “nuances” do they get the “A-HA” moment that radically changes their trading that eludes most others.
Today the markets were on edge…but in the end (and of course knowing what to look for), the “X” market set up a sweet “key” formation and dropped 65 ticks into my bucket…and all of it late this afternoon…And here’s the kicker…ONCE the market hit my “Ace” key target…it reacted as we learned it would in class with clarity and conciseness. This system is magical – like nothing I’ve ever seen.
Some will, some won’t…nobody cares what you do but for those that keep jumping on the “Ace is a scam” bus…well, yer just destined for mediocrity in your trading. Open minds win, narrow minds suffocate.
Hope you all grabbed enough ticks to feed your quota – we did.
XOXOXOXO – Mongo
I think you eat cookies and big dicks everyday Mongo.
Hazelnut, yo dude…of course I eat cookies, they’re yummy…as far as the other appendage, I’ll leave that activity for you and your boyfriends to exchange when you host your sleepovers. And get your mind out of the gutter, man such childish-moronic behavior in this room…”hey Ace, I don’t think you want most of these idiots in your room, I mean just look at the IQ of most of these people…I think they’d just mess up a good thing ya know? We like smart, intelligent, professionals in the Ace room, not guys named “haze”…no hope for this one – pass.
~ MM
Man Mongo I feel for you. What are these peoples problem demanding proof. Your word is your bond! F those people who demand more than that. What seriously they think you are some type of lying con artist swindler. I know how you feel I use to build homes or at least said I did and went out of business because one person had the audacity to ask to see my license and worst wanted to actual see a home I built. Can you believe that. What an A holes. I know I could have built a home, I think. Anyway now I have decided to build bridges. If any knuckle heads ask for proof I actually built a bridge, I am going to shoot them. I say I can, therefore I can. What more could you ask for?
It is like you said, “Open minds win, narrow minds suffocate.” I get nuts who instead say gullible people who do not due their due diligence get scammed and those who actually demand proof thrive. But I am with you Mongo. F those people asking for actual proof like brokerage statements. You do not need to show them any proof. You tell them. I love you Mongo!!!! BTW, can I please have another glass of that so delicious Kool-Aide and where do I send the check. I am starting the Mongo fan club. Anyone want to join? Free Kool-Aide to all!
Geez I know how you and Mongo feel Rob b. You know I build space shuttles and I offered to build one for NASA for a paltry $5,000,000 or a monthly subscription of $550,000 and do you know they wanted proof that I could build a space shuttle! I mean these are supposedly “educated and intelligent” people and they couldn’t see an absolute bargain staring them right in the face. Pass the Kool-Aide please.
WTF?! They wanted to see actual proof that you had built a shuttle. How stupid! And how dare they?
Why did you not tell them that you were the one that built the alien spaceship that crashed at Roswell. They will continue building their stupid rockets that will take a year to get to Mars, when you are telling them that you build machines that can warp the space-time continuum, so that distance does not matter? What morons?
Where is my ration of the Kool Aid please?
This was one of the best early “fun” scam experience stories by Emmett besides the bug killer wood blocks. The lab coat guy acting all excited and making up the stories about the dead alien and they even upped the funlab with two aliens. It reminds me of some of the best of Ray Bradbury’s childhood based fiction stories of deadalive constructs with all the eerie atmosphere and scaring the crap out of the protagonist and his friends.
Yo Leg Humper…do you actually read your posts before you post them? Uh, NASA…Shuttle, proof? really? We’re talking trading here putz…so if Ace were to show you a screen-shot, email, something with numbers on it…you’d actually believe it? Do you know why SOME people don’t show you their results? a) thy don’t have to, b) they don’t care if you join or not c) too many people are faking statements with the advent of Graphic manipulation technology so what’s the benefit and d) see a) above.
Stay, Sit (here) Stray Dog – don’t think you’d be a good fit in our Cadre of like-minded traders…keep swimming in the pool of Emmett.
XOXOX – MM
The Shuttle story was an analogy. Do you know what an analogy is?
Anyway, the problem is with the trading instructor. He presents things in a terrible way. Blame, him.
You fucking idiots are liars who do not show your real live trading statements. So go ahead and suck each others assholes! You are all in cohoots!
Hi Billy – wow, do you use that mouth to kiss your wife (or boyfriend?) – such vulgarity – make your momma proud. And quite the opposite…I am NOT a “F-ing idiot”…and I think I’ll pass on the “sucking” fetish you seem to have…leave that to you and your BFF’s. But if you EVER want to pull your head out of your “arse” (that means “Ass” Billy, in case you’re not following), then MAYBE you can see the light of what Ace can teach you. But alas, I fear not as your obvious mental deficiencies (just say’n) – you’d might not be able to follow the method. Too bad, its quite simplistic and once you “get it” you “own it” for life.
BTW, go grab a bar of soap and clean up that potty mouth.
XOXOX – MM
Rob, I get it…but if MY WORD IS MY BOND…then why not just take my word for it? I’m not a con-artist, I’m a trader (just like many in here) that has waded thru the years of BS and shit to arrive at my destination. I do NOT work for Ace, am a student and in my 20 years of this business, have found NOTHING as impressive as the Ace Method – period. I didn’t get PROOF? you mean with the age of technology, digital graphics capabilities and numerous software applications…that I can’t fake a statement? a verified statement? from who? FXCM? CME? Tradestation, TOS? name one that can’t be forged or manipulated. Truth is, I took a shot…haven’t looked back. Sometimes you just got to stop listening to the fraudulent (convicted Frauds -Emmett Moore is such), and take the plunge. Today, CL – Called mid 47’s, ran to low 46’s…100+ ticks…BTW, I did see hid DOM today, it had a nice 4-digit payout on it…oh, same as yesterday – who cares? questions is, What can YOU do with that type of info??? I’ve had quite a few people call me/ speak wtih me…they know this; a) I’m a trader/father b) BS is NOT in my genetics c) could are less what people think of me d) know that I defend ACE with conviction. Too many people have blasted Ace for NO reason as they are allowing their narrow-mindedness to cloud their judgement. Heck, they’re taking the word of a convicted felon (Emmett Moore) to base their decisions from. That dude hasn’t traded a futures contract in his miserable existence. At the end of the day I know this…some will, some won’t join Ace…but the ones that do, never look back.
Cheers – MM
Ive spent quite a few hours watching Ace’s videos and live trade room. As he continually says, his method is geared to identify high probability levels for entry with tight stop loss levels – ie you will know quickly if you are on the wrong side of the market.
I dont know how Ace works out his levels, but they often work out to be the close levels of htf swing points, eg daily, H4, H1 and M30. I draw/update all these lines on my chart before I start; and identify clear demand/supply points/areas.
If you pull up any chart and work through these levels and see where price “pins back to” – first time back, you will see that price often respects the close level as well as the absolute swing point – and will often return to it
These then are probably the source of some of the “blue lines”; I also use other levels – tho not market profile – tho I have studied it in some detail and understand the concepts
I dont know how Ace enters trades – or recommends his students to enter – ie do they use limit orders at these levels, or do they wait to see some confirming price action and then enter at market, or stop orders; its not clear from the videos; however to make many of the trades called by Ace, you would need to be quick to enter and exit as the price patterns are watched on a sub 10 second chart; and an instrument may well be traded both long and short in the same session
His commentary and trade calls are certainly live and often very accurate
Does he trade? i dont know – and dont really care
The guy is a salesman, selling his understanding of the markets
I dont know what the “keys” consist of, but I think 3 are profit targets – and I have a fair idea what they are from watching the videos; the other keys are presumably types of entry set ups – ie reversal or continuation, based on the location and type of the entry – ie, low/high of the current (or previous) day etc
As others have commented, you could probably work out how to trade using the Ace keys by spending time really understanding auction market theory – not hard in principle – Jim Dalton has two books and some video material and watching Ace’s videos
Again I dont know Ace’s money management plan, but it seems that he recommends covering half? at two points and trailing the balance
$3,500 is a lot of money, but if you are completely new to trading and have this money to burn, it would probably shorten your learning curve
Or you could spend time looking at naked charts and asking yourself – why did price turn there. Price will only go short when it runs out of buyers and sellers take over – and usually the first move down is caused by the buyers taking profit or bailing, the second swing, sellers coming in and so on
And lastly spend time really understanding what is the purpose of the market auction; it is to advertise a price to deal at to ensure that all potential orders are being filled. Price is moved by fundamentals, market auction and supply and demand; in the absence of new fundamental information, it is purely supply and demand – and those patterns are pretty easy to understand once you understand the concept
Sam Seiden has been mentioned and he explains SD pretty well
There are two websites that I have spent a lot of time on acegazette and readthemarket
You can also watch this guy explain the concept
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg0eWnYo-Wh50Z_3uZDOhZw/featured
Hope this helps……
Funny enough no one has yet figured out this ‘system’ or the magic ‘keys’…
All there really is to it, is supply and demand around previous highs and lows, in some cases supported by evidence from volume peaks.
Just pick any minute-based timeframe, draw a line at today’s / overnight / previous days highs and lows and see how often the market bounces around these (these work best pre-market or around the open). A variation are support/resistance lines drawn diagonally from previous turning points, often you’ll see the market bounce on the third touch of the line.
Then there is target finding. which is just a measured move, but it’s hit or miss at best.
This obviously does not work all the time, when it does good old Kevin will party like it’s 1999… if not, it will be pulled under the rug… lol
So there you have it.
I have to admit that good old Kevin has a good feeling for the market, and will sniff out a working trade or two during the day. After all, he’s been staring at those charts for quite a number of years, even though he does not place any trades. And he knows exactly that the majority of people wont have the patience nor the discipline to learn trading, no matter how simple the ‘system’. He knows this, and this is why it is so easy for him to get people to depend on him and his daily ‘show’, and to cash in repeat payments.
Good luck.
Acetrades is a total scam. Ace details and rehashes trading support and resistance concepts. What a joke, dont waste your money.
Hey folks, VERY sorry that I was absent the other day from posting my “Ace is the Place” LIVE room updates…but even I need to take a breather at times.
So today we jumped in at our normal 7:30 AM room time – ya know to chat with other members, compare and share “success” stories…and man are they aplenty. Complete NOOBS coming into a room that quite frankly SAVES them from the horrid BS and Bad Habits that most traders fall into. (yes my hand is raised).
Ya see, all the BAD market info that these “marketers” pump out as “helpful” are in fact complete garbage and ONLY hurt your chances of success. Yes I too purchased many programs and wasted countless hours learning how to trade the way the “Big Boys” want you to trade – I mean they need to take your money to buy them fancy shoes and cars. BUT @ ACE, this dude is the REAL DEAL. I mean where else do you get to learn from a legend who has 15 YEARS (50,000 hours) of screen time perfecting his method…and in all, it’s the BEST method I’ve EVER seen in my 20 years of trading. Day in, Day out ACE brings “clear, concise and FREAKISHLY accurate” calls to the table – EVERYDAY. Best part is? People are having a blast makin’ cash…EVERY day! And the most rewarding part? to see traders LIGHT BULBS go off — their A-ha moments are kicking in.
Now you might get a lil’ angry once you learn just how rigged the Big Boys Game is, but once you learn the ACE method, you’ve been served with a SKILLSET most will NEVER realize is available in today’s world of BS and scammers. All you gotta do is have trust that ACE is the place. – No losing decisions here, unless of course you continue to listen to the “naysayers”…and believe me, their are plenty.
SO, today’s update; Called 10+ ES YM), rode GC off the bottom for some tasty nuggets, CL gave us some nice short opps and of course various other markets were cashed in by other members; ZB, 6B etc. etc.
Folks if you ain’t in, you’re out…SUPER tight risk and trades with 2:1, 3:1 – 10:1 reward/risk. And once you SEE it on action, you’re going to be BLOWN AWAY!
YOU just need to figure out who you want to be as a trader and ACE will get you there. Have a super profitable day.
XOXOXOXO – Mongo
15 YEARS (50,000 hours) and yet cannot show an ounce of proof that he has ever trade live more less profitable. Even you Mongo,must at some point realize what a fool you look like with these endless BS advertisements.
Oh Robbie…such harsh words…me a fool? not a bet you’d win my friend…and once again, no one needs to prove a damn thing to you or the other “angry-frustrated” traders in this room. How can you be successful with such anger issues? Man o man. Me? I win, I lose (small) and day in/day out see the power of the Ace methodology. You don’t have to believe any of it – no one cares. Today on CL, how much of that 100+ tick short did you bag? What? you made money? Prove it! See how stupid you and the others sound? Prolly not cuz yer so angry and set in your ways…no worries, stay in here in the land of “Moore” or is it “Less”?
BTW, I saw Ace’s DOM Today and Yesterday – PS. It had LOTS of green on it both days…prolly more than you make in a week? Well you’ll never know…too bad, it’s actually kinda neat to see someone call trades like that LIVE. Anyhoot, see ya Robbie…maybe you and that tool above “Haze” can open your own trading room since yer so successful.
Ta-ta – MM
If you are reading mongo’s nonsense posts and thinking “maybe it’s true” remember the final remarks from Emmett’s review: “One Final Note
To date, I have sent Ace over 50 written requests to prove that the trades made in his videos were ever actually executed with his own trading account. Of course, he never responds.” That there tells you the truth about Ace and Mongo. A pair of vacuous drum beaters who don’t trade and can’t teach you to trade either.
You are a real cunt; ya’ know that – you silly fuckwad!
Haze – please tell me you have an above average IQ, or maybe yer rollin in the 60-70’s – or perhaps yer just some uneducated tool who gets off by blurting out random profanities…such a potty mouth, bet you make yer Momma real proud (and Dad too – or don’t you know who he is?) lol.
see ya Hazel, yer such an angry lil’ man.
XOXOX – MM
Thanks for taking the time to help others and do such an extensive review.
Hey guys (gals), what a week!
Riddle me this Batman…”How do you PREDICT a 20 pt move (in advance!!!)?” – Answer: you learn the ACE method !!! – plain and simple.
I just shot a chart over to Mr. Ace in complete and utter “disbelief” – but I do have to say the chart is one for the books…a 20 POINT move – just hit (2:30 PM EST) from a level that I learned from Ace…put it on my chart this morning around lunchtime and watched in amazement as the market “tanked” right to the target. U N B E L E I V A B L E you say? I know, I thot the same. Holy Cow. IN all thinking Ace called 80-90 pts this week. Hope you all got your share.
Anyhow, have a good weekend all.
XOXOXOXO ~ Mongo
Yeah right Your Full off shit Moron!
Again Mongo, with the typos. Don’t worry I fixed them for you Major Moron
Hey guys (gals), what a week to get screwed over by ACE once again!
Riddle me this Batman…”How do you PREDICT a 20 pt move (in advance!!!)?” – Answer: you learn the ACE method !!!. That is you make a bunch of motherhood predictions – no entry, no stop and no target. Then which everyone even comes close you talk that one up to high heaven and forgot about all the 99% wrong predictions. We call that warming up the suckers.
I just shot a chart over to Mr. Ace in complete and utter “disbelief” – but I do have to say the chart is one for the books…a 20 POINT move – unfortunately in the complete opposite direction of ACE’s call. …put it on my chart this morning around lunchtime and watched in amazement as the market did just the opposite of what Ace Called. How U N B E L E I V A B L E is it that ACE just gets it wrong again and again. I know, I thot the same. Holy Cow. IN all thinking Ace lost another 80-90 pts this week. How could this guy be so just completely incompetent. Hope you all got screwed, while ACE made a fortune off more new suckers joining.
And remember Ace will never show anyone ever any proof what so ever that he can trade profitable or that he has even ever taken a trade in his lifetime. You might think even a complete idiot would realize Ace is a scam by now, but the suckers just keep pouring in.
Anyhow, have a good weekend all and be prepared to lose even more money next week.
XOXOXOXO ~ Mongo
There is one born(A Sucker) every second.
Sorry folks…I was out of the office yesterday enjoying some “me” time…but for all you eager beavers, Ace had another 20 point day (yesterday) and today? oh man, calling CL, GC, 6E, Swiss-miss and ES – kids in the room were rackin’ up those points.
One trader +14 ES, another 50 CL tickies, GC levels being called for some major bankroll action – just another stinkin’ day in these horrible markets 😉 And all I can say about ACE is his ridiculous “to the tick” calls and of course great sense of humility and vigor as he works with all sorts of traders: Complete “noobs”, seasoned vets (with major bad habits) and all with patience and an educational edge that makes ACE the BEST day trading room on the planet – bar none!.
So come on in. “get yer toes wet” and learn how fun and stress-free trading can be. But if you come in the room with all yer “stinkin’ thinkin” (and believe me, lots of folks have that bad trait — lots of folks even in this here blog) – it won’t do you any good. Come in with an open-mind and leave all those bad-habits behind. Your trading and bank account will thank you.
OK all, hope y’all are having a great day, we are 😉
xoxoxox – Mongo
Gosh, there seems to be some typos in your post, so I fixed it for you. No need to thank me. The corrected version is below:
Sorry folks…I was out of the office yesterday enjoying some “me” time…but for all you losers to be scammed out of your money, Ace had another losing 20 point day (yesterday) and today? oh man, more Hugh loses in CL, GC, 6E, Swiss-miss and ES – kids in the room were losing their shirts and screaming I do not understand how I follow your trades and just keep losing money. SUCKERS!!
One trader -14 ES, another -50 CL tickies, GC levels being complete inaccurately called for some major drawdown action – just another stinkin’ day in these horrible markets And all I can say about ACE is his complete inaccuracy in his trading calls and of course great sense of arrogance and snugness as he works to scam all sorts of traders: Complete “noobs”, seasoned vets and all with his brilliant scam you all attitude that makes ACE the BEST SCAMMNG day trading room on the planet – bar none!.
So come on in. “and throw yer money down the drain” and feel how nice it is to be scammed. But if you come in the room with bad habits like asking ACE for any proof of profitable trading or expect ACE to actually trade a live account.” (and believe me, lots of folks have that bad trait — lots of folks even in this here blog) – it won’t do you any good. Ace is a scam artist genius pure and pure, so obviously he will never show any actual proof of profitable trading. Come in with a mindless-mind, drink the Kool-Aid and leave all those bad-habits behind. Your trading and bank account will go to pots but Ace will thank you.
OK all, hope y’all are having a great day, we are
xoxoxox – Mongo
Some typos! WTF?
Absolutely spot-on, Rob.
Emmett, Self-promotion via pseudonym is enabling ‘Ace’/Mongo to hijack your superb review and devolve it into something along the lines of his infomercial site ‘acetradesreview’. After you showed tremendous good will in removing the information for which he charges $3500, ‘Ace’/Kevin is being utterly disrespectful. If he keeps it up, perhaps you could publish the deleted post on a basic, easily constructed HTML webpage such as ‘saveyourselfthirtyfivehundred’ dot com.
Yee ha, another session of “Ace is the Place” market commentary.
With NFP and “newsy” issues…MOST traders stay away – have no clue how to trade news releases…and hey, they USED to be scary (too risky) for me…but hey, ever since I joined the Ace Trades system – been killing it AND we trade the news like a surgeon performs brain surgery – with precision. + 7/8 ES as ACE called targets to 2031 (hit!), Oh, another member had 10+ 6B (hit), Oh, and GC/CL? Scalped those mother’s for +30-40 tickeroonies.
Folks, if you AIN’T trading the Ace method, you just leaving a whole lot of dinero, moulah, scratch, cabbage on the table. How about we all get into a big group hug, say “sorry” for all those nasty things you been barking about Ace and come into the light – we’ll play nice and you’ll get paid as well.
For those that need some assistance – https://acetrades.com/ (Link provided)
Hope you all have a nice weekend…we made bank (already), going to golf the rest of the day – fore!
XOXOX – Mongo
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Seriously @Emmett, this complete fool is not proving any useful review of ACE. Instead he is just posting complete instantiated BS advertising. Is this what you really want at your site? I understand allowing free speech, but the thread should be about review ACE. I can even understand going off topic a bit, but daily mindless ads. At some point I think it is very reasonable to state this guy was doing nothing but posting mindless ads, I have left the older ads so you can see exactly what he was posting, but he is no longer going to post his BS ads here.
How about taking up a survey on that one and make sure not duplicate IP addresses.
LMFAO. Ace in the hole and his side kick, major moron, are your paper trading wizards. Both of them play in make believe land and do not trade in the real world. Just a couple of loud barking chihuahuas. If you are new to this site, stay away from nonsense and don’t piss away your money on a blue line carnival act. Price gets far enough north of a blue line … ‘”who was on bulls” … price gets far enough south of a blue line … “who was on bears.” There are no winners after the fact. Need proof … just ask any Ace koolaid drinker for a redacted statement and all you will hear is crickets. Same goes for the koolaid mixer himself. For those that need some assistance – https://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/ace-trades-review
And here’s another “Ace in your FACE” market update.
Yo Trenton – GLAD you asked buddy…Tighty Market? Yes, it was a grind, low volume, back and forth BUT for those in the TRENCHES @ Ace Trades, well you’re NOT going to believe this BUT, ACE called 2043’s TODAY LIVE this morning. Market actually bottomed 2040’s so we left a few scraps for the “Stray Dogs” in the house (Woof-woof). Not too shabby picking up 12 points from the bell, but hey, only a select few grabbed the entire 10+. Me? I actually had a small loss in my trading as I was going rogue but ended the day with some tasty profits. Total this week? thinking 40+ pts so far? And when you get really good w/ Ace’s method, you can ride them crazy markets like GC + CL like circus ponies. Giddy-up doggies…gotta roll.
XOXOX Mongo
And still not a shred of proof of any of Mongo’s claims. His logic being that no one deserves proof of anything but you shut down every doubting Thomas by simply sharing verified trading statements from your live account.
I am wondering how it was today for ace trades in a tighty market
Miner Size Mongo has a trait we can all see …. he wastes his time going out of his way in a desperate attempt to either justify money he blew for rubbish, he has no verification just like Ace, or he suffers from having a really small penis.
Maybe that’s why he appears 2 b such an enlarged dick head
Mongo,
Can you make good on this post?
“Here ye, Here ye…I’m outta here. I’ve had my fun, I’ve said my peace and done wasting my time in Sheriff Emmett’s “cushioned room of wannna-be traders” – lol, really? YOU all deserve each other so carry on with your worthless, unsubstantiated banter.”
This isn’t a discussion anymore w/regard to mongo. He is just promoting. I don’t get it.
Hey guys…back for another ACE in your FACE update.
Lets see…today we hag GC + 10 (minimum), although it ran a full 20 – lets not be greedy tho’, even us Ace-inators have to leave “stray dogs” a bone once in awhile…(hee-hee).
Then we jump over to the cataclysmic shelf of CL, and road that coaster down (yee ha, I love coasters).Oh, yep, called that one too – it only ran 160 ticks for the day. But we Ace-inators just grabbed a few ticks “to get ourtoes wet” + 36 (for me personally), then we went over and raided the ZB and ES cupboards
+16 for my day).
Guess what? I had a few losses too…cus we’re only REALLY good, just not perfect (yet)…in all (so far) + 25 ES called Friday, and minimum 10+ on Mon, and Tues and then today, it was a tight lil’ mess, but managed enough to take the rest of the week off. Prolly won’t tho’ cuz with Ace’s calls – we’ll need to take as much from the “big boys” as we can.
You know who I’m talking about right? the “Big Boys”, well ya see these are the pros that EAT most of “Joe Public’s” lunches every day…but still they come back for an arse whoopin’. Not @ Ace tho’, we teach the Big Boys how to do it and with super tight risk…man, gotta love that!
Anyhoot, hope y’all had a nice day…kinda sounds like you didn’t cuz you’re all still pissy and moaning from yesterday ;).
See ya tomorrow and Oh, if you happen to wake up and realize your accounts are slowly vanishing…come on over to the Ace-inators camp…heck before long you’ll making money “day in-day out” – just tell Ace that Mongo sent ya over, that way you get VIP treatment AND Ace sends me an autographed photo 😉
xoxox ~ Mongo
Hey kiddies…I’m BACK 😉
Oh man…I couldn’t resist droppin ya a quick update, I mean I’d feel bad not sharing the good news. Ace called 10 ES points this morning in the LIVE room (but I had to bail and work on some other investments) but golly-gee, when I checked back in..10 points in the AM?. Then I get to work around noon and grab 8+ ES from the 2052 area back up into 2062 area AND grabbed 20 CL ticks fro 43.60 to 80 – cash in hand baby. You gotta love Mr. Ace cuz “Ace is the Place”. But then again you all know that right?
Yo Stray Dog (or is that “leg humper” or “car chaser” or perhaps “Hydrant hugger”??…only thing that smells in this room is you nasty dog breathe from licking other dogs or is that from sniffing the neighborhood scruffs – oh well, at least I don’t hang out with you and have to make excuses for the odor.
For the rest of ya, come on in, the water is so fine and the ticks are a plenty. I’ll stop in tomorrow with another Cash-in-hand update.
Cheers Amigos – xoxoxx – Mongo
We’re still waiting for you to back up your words with proof from your trading statements Mongo. But we know that’ll never happen because hindsight trading is all that you can do. You are a coulda, woulda, shoulda trader.
“… because hindsight trading is all that you can do. You are a coulda, woulda, shoulda trader.”
And we are all gazillionaires at hindsight trading. Heck, we regularly buy the bottom tick with a late limit order and sell the top tick the same way.
Ok Barking Dog…opinions are like A-holes…everybody has one.
As for my Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda trading…hmmm, I guess the 37% I gained in my account THIS week won’t spend as nice as the cash (still made) in my REAL-PROOF account that I need to show you idiots?? JUST so I can get your acceptance? Oh so then you’ll believe me? Oh so then you can apologize? I don’t like apologies from people I don’t like. Oh, and then once you realize how wrong you are you’ll wanna “sign up” and enter the trading room of the elite? Not a chance.
One question for all you “proof seekers”…Do the Casino’s give you any proof that they’ll play fair or won’t steal your money (as they smile at you)? but you’ll keep coming back to lose over and over again because you’re too stupid to NOT believe their lies of your “odds” – House always wins..
Do you get “proof” that the next Presidential Candidate you select is going to deliver on their “promises”? LOL – what a loser – but still you vote. Still listening to the talking heads to “verify” your ideas/thoughts.
You see, NO ONE OWES ANYONE (Proof) of anything. Sometimes you just gotta take a leap off a cliff – cuz the view is THAT good! YOU may skin your knees on the way down, but with the RIGHT flight school, you’ll soar buddy and then OH, that view is spectacular. BTW, did I ever tell you that ACE is one hell-u-va flight instructor? 🙂
Anyhow, class dismissed…
BTW, why would anyone want you in their room?. Keep up the “Doubting Thomas” behavior…it don’t cost me a DIME…only you and your lemming followers.
XOXOX – Mongo
Stupidity this illogical does not deserve a response, so I must be as stupid as you are, as I am responding.
I agree with Osikani. This rambling mess of a post from Mongo does not deserve a response and I must be crazy to try. As far as I can figure it Mongo isn’t going to make us eat humble pie by showing us proof because he doesn’t want us to sign up for Ace’s room. Then something about casino always winning and taking our money, the next American President etc.etc. Then finally even though Ace want $3,500 of your hard earned he doesn’t owe you any proof. Mongo lay off the good stuff before you post. You’re embarrassing yourself and Ace although everyone knows you’re one and the same.
Major Moron,
If your goal was to make Ace look like a complete scum bag con artist. You have succeeded. Congratulations!!!! I do not know what else I can say, but you are a complete embarrassment.
Anyone that gives Ace one cent after reading your mind numbing post deserves what they get. Next time instead of being up 37% maybe post your up 1000% to really capture the DENSA members.
Prove it, you Dickhead! If you show real proof you will shut up a lot of people and prove Ace is the man.If not ,you are a 100% FRAUD!
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After seeing the insults from the naysayers here, I encourage wholeheartedly any and all from Ace’s room from posting anything further. You folks are treating AceTrades members horribly because they won’t provide proof of their success. People so skeptical, based on their own past experiences, will never be able to recognize the real thing when it comes along. Even if someone provided such proof, you would continue to be skeptical, and seek other means of proof, and that would just go on and on, ad infinitum. Just remember this, you heard it here from multiple members of AceTrades just how good the room is.
Adios.
Here ye, Here ye…I’m outta here. I’ve had my fun, I’ve said my peace and done wasting my time in Sheriff Emmett’s “cushioned room of wannna-be traders” – lol, really? YOU all deserve each other so carry on with your worthless, unsubstantiated banter. YO EMMETT, rumor has it that you wanted to be an affiliate member for Ace…but keep that between us, you don’t want your followers to find out…they’d probably all throw themselves off a tall building…no wait, on second thot tell them (lol). Dear sweet Rob, Leg humper (stray dog), Tamiaya and Stefan…only 4 people following the Sheriff? Wow, big crowd. I bid you all a sweet adios as I ride outta here. I had fun getting inside your minds…OH and here’s an advertisement (finally) – nah, I’ll leave you hanging. No Shills or Thrills. Until next time – XOXOX ~ Mongo
Major Mongo … aka Ace, is does not trade himself …. he has absolutely no control of his emotions, the biggest weakness of a failed trader. He can’t stay away from spouting off of this site and defending his failure. Go away troll, he are not wanted here you puke.
Gosh Major Moron,
rumor has it that you are affiliate member of DENSA.
Goodbye Good Riddance. Maybe you will move on to selling used cars now.
Nope, But I am a member of ACE’s room (aka, All Cash Expert’s) – we deal in raking in tons of cash so for me and mine. Only thing “used” here is your weak jokes…try something fresh, smart, ingenious…like ACE’s method. If you behave, he might find a spot for ya 😉
“If you behave, he might find a spot for ya.” But what he won’t be able to find for anyone is any proof of successful trading, hell of trading period, successful or otherwise.
Hey Mongo,are you Ace and all the other shitheads that are agreeing with you?
Mongo keeps saying he’s outta here, then keeps coming back. Got to be a shill or part of the ace staff.
Is Major Mongo more like Richard Nixon or a fart smell? We can’t seem to get rid of any of them. Are you finally done Major? Will you please go towards the light or do I have to put a pillow over your face?
Good leave ,you shit shoveler!
Minor Mongo will never show you his statement for all those winning trades because Minor Mongo and Ace are the same person … and we all know Ace does not trade his own calls and has no statements to back up his senseless barking.
Occam’s razor principal is so right. The reason Major Moron AKA Ace does not show any proof what so ever of his amazing claims is the simplest of reason. He cannot. In fact he could not trade profitable if his life dependent on it. If he could he would be shoveling his broker’s statements into Emmette’s face, tripple his price and would have a waiting line of traders wanting to be trained by him. But he cannot so instead he preys on the most gullible hoping to scam them out of money.
The more I think of it calling him Major Moron is too kind. He is a complete scum bag preying on people. Worst than a parasite.
this is it!
any room that is making serious profits with small drawdowns would be able to charge $ 1000 a month and have 100 members easily.
the reality is that the honest ones make modest profits, have drawdowns that last for weeks. that is the way it is…
Robert – man you are SOOO in the dark…
we make TONS of cash every day and if YOU are suffering serious drawdowns, you either
a) don’t know how to trade (stop)
b) your method blows – find another (hint:ACE)
c) have crappy risk management,
d) Take WAY too much risk
e) Trade WAY bigger than your account allows (or skill level)
f) ALL OF THE ABOVE
Get a life, check out ACE – everyday you listen to these idiots and wallow in mediocrity is a day FARTHER from real life @ ACE.
Man, you guys are pathetic
XOXOXO – Mongo
Yo Tamiaya…
Look doll, I am NOT Ace…he’s a WAY better trader than I am BUT, I am so enjoying the journey emulating his trades…making bank ;). Tell you what, you show me yours and I’ll show you mine (lol). I don’t need to show you nor anyone else PROOF! No one showed it to me before I joined…I guess I got lucky (along with the other 1,000’s of traders that have joined the ACE method. Stay here with your group of nay-sayers – you prolly don’t have what it takes to be a GREAT trader anyhow – not if you’re listening to these “tools”. Hey if you’re up for a mind-altering trading journey – come on over to Ace. I mean what do you have to lose…LOOK at the people you hang out with in this room – can’t possibly get any worse. Tell Ace – Mongo sent you 😉
Mongo is right people..
I don’t want to give the shills any more oxygen but in all this time that they have been posting here not one of them has offered any proof of their claims; nothing, zilch, nada, zip, zero, not a bean. It’d be the easiest thing in the world for them to shut down the criticism and skepticism but they can’t do it. Ask yourself why that is.
For a free copy of the system that Ace copied his system from send an email to aceisanahole AT outlook DOT com
Attention all idiot naysayers in this room: Mongo is right, and for the life of me I cannot believe he has spent the time that he has trying to convince you of this. It can only be his way of trying to give a little back to Ace, who has given so much to all of us who have been in his room.
Another killer morning with the ACE-inator…ES, GC, ZB, CL – folks making thousands of dollars in the room. One dude grabbed a measly 10 pts on GC. I grabbed my 8 pts on ES then off to enjoy the day. Hope you all had an equally productive day…if not, change it up. Have a nice day. Hey Carl, if you ever want to chat, send me another email…I’ll shoot you my number. You seem like someone with genuine interest in learning the truth. Cheers – Mongo
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BTW, for all you ACE naysayers in the house…scroll down to my most recent entry (April 27th) – it’s good read.
Also, TODAY LIVE in the room, Ace called targets on the ES to 2047 (from 2095 – 2 days ago) – HE LIED…it hit 2046!!!! (lol). How many of your guru’s can do that? 48 POINTS – called live with precision.
Continue to doubt the system at your own struggling demise…but ACE nailed it – as he does time and time again. Off to enjoy the weekend ~ Mongo
@Emmett,
This person is just posting complete non sense BS unsubstantiated advertising. And posting the same again and again.
I think it is time when some post mindless praise advertising all over the thread and cannot show any proof to back up his claim with real brokerage statement they should be BANNED!!!!
BAN Major Idiott!!!!
Well, Emmett, has this shill contacted you and offered to do a screen share with you so that you can see the unmitigated profis? If he has not, then this is just shill advertising, and much as I hate censorship, I am inclined to agree with Rob on this one.
I agree with Rob and Osikani. If you’ve ever wasted time listening to ‘Ace’ in his ‘trading room’, you will know that Major Mongo is ‘Ace’ because “precision” is one of his favorite words to repeat over and over to convince a potential customer that he has a viable system – even though he doesn’t trade it. Here’s a rant that you will have suffered hearing dozens of time in each hour: “There you go, ladies and gentlemen, trades called with precision, ladies and gentlement. How about that, ladies and gentlemen? Trades called with precision right here, ladies and gentlemen.”. Emmett’s description of Ace as a carnival barker is painfully accurate.
Hey Stefan, sorry to disappoint you and Rob above…but I am an actual member of Ace’s room (have been since Nov 2015). Too bad you both are as ignorant as Emmett. MY guess is that both you and Rob are unsuccessful in your current rooms and that talking smack about others gets you two wankers off? WHY NOT you both post YOUR trading records since you’re both into “stats”…bet none of you can come close to the 48 points Ace called out last week. If you aren’t up to proving your success, don’t judge others for not proving theirs. YOU show me yours first…my guess is that you don’t have the kahunas to do it. LOL.
Once again the “Intellectually Challenged” reply with abuse. Since you seem unable to follow the content of the thread Major let me assist you. Who is making the claims of success from any chat room? That’d be you Major. Therefore the onus is upon you to produce proof of that success.
Yo Dog, I’m pretty sure this room was founded on what Emmett Moore “thinks” he knows about Ace’s program (and others). I AM making claims of success because I am successful. And guess what, I don’t have to prove anything to you either. Tell you what…you stay here in the muck-and-mire of false truths, I’ll go trade in the light of Ace’s method. Don’t have time to waste here, just wanted to throw in that y’all got it wrong. NO worries tho’ – Ace’s room is not for the narrow-minded…stay here in your hole. Adios Dog (woof-woof).
Yes please Major. Go towards the light. Ace’s room is not for the narrow minded nor for those who would like proof that it’s worth the few thousand he’s asking you to part with.
Ha ha, I’m already IN THE LIGHT dog bone…and YES, I paid $3500 – best money ever spent brother. And as I told Rob, the ONLY reason I slinked back into the cesspool of the mindless was to RECANT a previous, unfounded slam against ACE. That’s it. No advertising, just righting the unjustified actions of MY doing. And guess what – there are NO guarantees in trading, life or anything else…sometimes you just have to take a leap of faith. Adios folks – GLAD I started such a controversy – glad to know I’m inside your head. Now that I am, do yourself a favor…think for yourself.
That’s it Major, walk towards the light. Keep going, keep going, walk towards the light. Don’t look back now just keep going towards the light. Carol Anne, show Major where the light is. For anyone who wants to hand over $3,500 to Ace Trades with zero proof of any trading or any profitability please do think for yourself. Don’t listen to the Shill.
You are ever deceitful, ‘Ace’/Major Mongo. I looked for your “previous, unfounded slam against ACE” and found just this: “Should I dive in? MM”. Before that rhetorical ending, you spewed the following lines of classic ‘Ace’ promotion: “Buy side ladies and Gentlemen S&P this morning, Buy side ladies and Gentlemen”…is the heading of today’s (Aug 25th) 50 POINT haul in the S& P before NOON – holy cow ladies and gentlemen…”. You have suckered enough trusting, desperate people that you now assume that everyone is less intelligent than you and that you can easily feed them any lie with your clunky ‘wit’. Sadly, you will probably continue to fool people to pay you $3500 and more to follow trade calls that you yourself do not. You will continue to make new fake review sites in an attempt to push honest reviews further down in the search results and then attempt to insult into silence anyone who rightly declares you to be a relentless confidence artist.
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This will now be my canned response to your complete non sense posts.
Look Major Moron,
Ace did not make the fictitious 48 points Ace called out last week. I wonder if you are actually too stupid to realize what an fool you make Ace look like.
Seriously if you can not produce better shills than this you need to hire an advertising firm QUICK!!!
I stick to my BAN MAJOR MORON campaign. Who needs to read this complete nonsense from Major Moron.
Hey Rob, guess what bud, I was not only in the room but took advantage of the call TO 2047 – money in the bank buddy. Ka-ching!
And I’m not advertising, just letting you all know that if you want to waste you time in this dark, mindless hole of the uniformed – stay put. I know MY account is much healthier in his room than without. So you and all the other lemmings stay here, slam ACE all you like…I’m going to make some bank on HIS calls – day in, day out.
Oh, and ban me on what premise? Because YOU don’t like what I have to say? Too bad, you stay here in the dark, I’ll trade in the LIGHT.
Cheerio Robert.
Mongo
Ban you because your post are beyond mindless advertising. Gosh I made a fortune of one of Ace’s motherhood market predictions. Yet I can show no proof what so ever.
You are beyond sickening. If Emmett continues to allowing shills like you to post ad after ad like you are doing then you will end up with a thread of nothing but Major Morons posting complete nonsense.
Gosh I just made a 100 points on ES due to the most Brilliant Market Predictor ever; Rob B. He is like a market genius. Want you want proof!! I do not need to show any proof. How dare you slam Rob B. He is money in the bank buddy.
Hey Rob, its not advertising…I’m a ACTIVE member pinhead.
I don’t care if YOU or anyone join Ace – it does not matter one bit to me. The ONLY reason I decided to stoop so low and slither into this room of whiney wankers was to RECANT an earlier “unjustified” rant (much like all of yours) against ACE. I am simply correcting my error as I now have the REAL truth. And as far as the 48 Pts, I enjoyed some of that ride down and then rode it back up Friday afternoon – another ACE method signal.
BTW, here’s my advertisement.
DO NOT join Ace’s method…it’s too simple and logical for you. STAY here in this room where it’s safe.
Off to enjoy my day 😉
Mongo
I will give Major Moron some credit. He is showing you what trading rooms were like before Emmett.
Major Moron’s nonsense posts is what the shills put in the testimonials and on investo scam you. No evidence what so ever of profitable trading, just pure fact less complete nonsense posts. You then go to their site and they have their shills screaming how they are making so much money. So you join and what happens; you just lose money and are like how can that be. After all Major Moron is making so much money. And they just say you have to just work harder. Then you spend thousands of hour and just continue to lose again and again. The bottom line it has nothing to do with you and how you are trading their method; the whole thing was one big scam.
Major Moron you remind me why I am so glad there is a new sheriff in Town; Sheriff Emmett.
http://screencast.com/t/B2UzKulLcuPm
Public Service Announcement: Any stupid enough to give money to Ace after reading Major Moron’s Post is a FOOL AND GETS WHAT THEY DESERVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have absolutely ZERO Sympathy for you!
I was surprised there weren’t more upvotes for shill posts. Maybe Emmett has a system in place where a vendor can’t vote for themselves and there is same or similar IP blockage of votes. Despite the more clunky navigation, I guess I’ve gotten used to the comment system after a month.
My lord, I would love to block the shills. But blocking comments, censuring comments, or not allowing opposing voices to be heard is a very slippery slope. Would rather foster debate and transparency (even angry debate). The only censure are sexist, racists, or religious bigotry.
I once read a quote, “No lie lives forever”. With trading vendors that lie, cheat and steal from honest people always get exposed, it just takes time.
Hey Rob…I am alive and well. And yes, I am and ACE member…and guess what? I don’t have to prove jack squat to ANYONE on this content lacking blog. All I’m saying is that why don’t you all use your OWN mind and due diligence VS riding the coattails of a wanna-be investigative reporter like Emmett…he’s about the most clueless blogger I’ve ever had to tolerate…he should go back to his former job, there is no way he could have been any worse performance wise. As far as providing my account statements to anyone – you go ahead and throw yours up here first…if you dare. My guess is that you won’t so why then would ACE or anyone have to prove otherwise? YOU folks are the one calling him a fraud…prove that he IS or shut your pie-hole.
“so why then would ACE or anyone have to prove otherwise?” Ah… because he’s selling access to his calls and room based on his ability to trade!
Notice this clown Mongo or Ace will not show any proof what so ever that he make any money trading and it does not matter where he is. Karma know no bounds.He will pay for his fraudulence.
You probably are Ace or just sucking up to him.
Hi Sir,
I like Ace’s program and like to talk to a first hand experience member. How can we talk?
Thanks
Anyone can post profits after the trades happened.Lets see your live trading results.
draw a line on the chart when it goes above the line by traders probe .75 buy at the line if it goes below the line by trader probe .75 sell it wow ace trades explained. lots of chop and small stops. wow…really really wow
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ace keys work for me ,ya gotta just learn , after lots of other gurus ,ace keeps it simple
I posted this last night but since I had to dig into this thread to locate my post (from August 15′ – name is Mongo, decided to write a new post. And since this response is somewhat buried amongst all the nay-saying Ace bashers felt compelled to create a NEW thread so that this cream rises to the top. Would hate to have a new visitor get such a unsubstantiated and skewed summary regarding ACE from the many clueless bashers on this blog…so here it is again up close and personal. Bon Apetit’ ~ Mongo
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So this guy above “Mongo”, yes that was ME back in August when I was fence sitting “tool” and contemplating if I should join…I was much like many of the bloggers on this forum that “had no clue” about the Ace system or felt it was easier and more fun “to bash” someone’s proprietary methodology then DIVE in and really change my trading success. Yes, I too was a d-bag loser.
Well fast forward to today (4/27/2016) and YES, I am a MEMBER (since November 15′) All I can say is that Ace/Kevin is one extremely talented individual. Nope, he’s not taking live trades, he’s directing his students so that their success and method comprehension is “seared” into their cranium. It’s really too bad Emmett that you have such a narrow-minded experience with Ace..I mean just because he doesn’t feel compelled to prove “dookey-squat” to you or anyone else needing “verification” that you (and others) have to go off on an unwarranted tangent of what you THINK is a fraudulent dude. Not only is that poor reporting, it’s down right bad manners – shame on you.
Yes, the internet is full of BS’ers and scammers but ACE is not. He’s a damn talented teacher, his room is the best out there bar-none, his students are learning a system that works in ANY market and in ANY time frame AND they’re learning it for LIFE. Trading is simple, its just not easy and if you do NOT plant your seed and nurture it to full maturity, it will die…same goes for trading. Those that hop from system to system are destined to fail – period.
As for me and mine? Ace has (and still is) a blessing to MY view of how the markets are rigged against Joe-public, yet Ace reveals how the “big boys” play THEIR game – not yours. Ace’s method teaches you clear, concise and often “damn freaky – to the tick” target accuracy that quite frankly blows my mind. Beyond his loud and energetic approach? well…if I was in a live room that was lame and quiet I’d cap myself. Trading is a lonely profession and ACE brings his A-game EVERYDAY and delivers.
Truth be told, people purchase the “lifetime” membership because we’re a family of like-minded traders that show up daily, to learn, hone our skills, laugh and make serious bank…its what a LIVE room should be – ALIVE! and well, that’s the room I want to stick with forever.
As for ACE needing to prove himself or “inform folks like TF to NOT share his info”…damn right, I’d pull that plug too. To have some “tool” steal my info and paste it all over the web is illegal and dangerous. Think about how much damage that could do to some “wanna-be” trader who has NO CLUE of the power of such a method – used by an untrained noob…he’d blow his/her account and then feel “bent” on slamming the system. That’s just bad for everybody and why “proprietary info” should be protected at all costs.
Trading is for the select few – most will lose however for those that truly want a paradigm shift on HOW THE MARKETS REALLY WORK, then give Ace a shot – you will NOT regret it. And for those that like to write unsubstantiated BS claims and belly-ache? stay on blogs and rant cuz we don’t want you in our room (lol) – no seriously, stay out…just better vibes w/out you and more money for us.
Bottomline, Ace is the man and his method is the BEST I’ve ever seen in my 20 years of searching for the truth. Oh and if you THINK you’re going to bring in ALL of your old trading garbage “bad habits” – they will only hurt you…they killed me at first. I had to DUMP all my years of the worthless crap I knew about indicators, fibonacci, blah, blah, blah and START OVER. It was tough but man, do I see the light NOW…it’s simply a mind altering trading journey.
There are NO guarantees in life, but for all you still walking around like zombies searching for “the way”, just think about how much you’ve blown on bad info/systems/methods and the opportunity costs you’re now paying for listening to “others” who have NO CLUE on who Ace really is…damn shame.
Ace is not for everyone…but he’s got my vote – Salute!
MajorMongo (majormongo@gmail.com) – if you need legitimacy.
*PS – do NOT contact me if you’re looking for “secrets” about what he teaches, I signed a “confidentiality agreement” and will honor that – period.
Emmet, has anyone on this board plunked down $$$ to purchase Ace’s system? If so, I would like to see his/her opinion of the system itself. Thanks.
Carl, I’ve posted some commentary recently – read on. And YES, I am an active subscriber – best trading decision of my trading career. ~ Mongo
I joined up with Ace a few weeks ago if you follow the videos and keys and use proper risk management and have patience while waiting for the moment to trigger your trade you will be very successful.
I am not Optimistic as neither Ace or any of his shills can show an ounce of proof they can trade profitable. Oh yes I know you do not need to show any proof. Code words for you cannot show any proof.
The one good thing is the more Ace shills that post here the higher this website ranks so people learn the truth. Anyone joining Ace after reading this thread deserves to be ripped off.
The only question that should be asked from Ace and the only question that matters, “Can you please show me a live brokerage statement for the entire year, so I can see evidence of your amazing trading ability”. And then demand Ace show his brokerage account every day to see his real entries and exits and profits. That is the only thing that matters. Everything else is BS fantasy crap.
Spot on Rob B but at least Ace is learning that if he’s going to post BS shill posts he has to alter the tone and style of each persona. Maybe he’ll become successful at creative writing. He could develop the Major Moron character into a whole novel but I expect that he’ll stick with trying to create doubt about the reality of his service and next we will see attempts at passing of bogus trading statements as the real thing.
thanks for taking the time to post this!
OH my g…. You’re right, this nutcase sounds EXACTLY like a carnival barker!! These folks sent me an email over the weekend, thanking me for signing-up for some 3-night “Special webinar” that starts tomorrow. Thankfully, I came here FIRST!! Lol, I would never be able to sit through even 5 minutes of this fraud!!
Horseshit that traders don’t have losing days. Complete and utter bullshit. I know a couple very good indices traders that make equivalent of 15-20 ES pts per week on avg. and they have losing days every month.
I find Maureen’s review typical newbie b.s. She should show her real-time statment as of mid-April ’16 after a huge average daily range increase in the indices beginning in Jan. of ’16 and contraction of intraday volatility in the last 6 weeks.
Frankly, I am thrilled w/net net 1pt net net ES per day w/moderate drawdowns along the way – trading w/some size.
Ace is a vendor; pure and simple.
Elaine – hopefully you did NOT listen to some of the naysayers on this blog…if you did NOT take Ace up on his 3-day free trial to experience the room, you are missing out girlfriend. BTW, we have many women in our room and they’re actually better traders than us guys…you could be the next superstar!?. Don’t listen to the trolls that know no better – due diligence and decide if its a good fit for you. And you might just find that you really ENJOY Ace…he’s a hoot, has a big following and is changing people’s lives…mine included. Happy Trails ~ Mongo – Member since Non 15′
Did you read what Emmett wrote in the video? This Ace character records the session then does his commentary and his live trade room does NOT show live orders and he does not tell you when to exactly enter and exit the market before it happens.How much money are you actually making in your real trading account with Ace Trades?
People are experts in things they know NOTHING about. Ace may or may not record the sessions. But all you have to do is join LIVE during one of his free trials to see (assuming you have your own live charts up) that everything he is doing is real time. The ONLY reason for all these negative comments is that they are coming from traders who (admittedly) have NEVER joined his program. I am trading his ‘KEYS’, and they are uncanny. People who say it can’t be done should get out of the way of those of us who are doing it.
Thank you! if more people had your information , It would save people a whole lot of money & frustration. please keep up the good work. IT is so sorely needed in this age of limitless scams. Thanks again & God bless you & your work on educating the rest of us. Thanks!
Surely you are replying to Emmett and not Maureen (*cough* ‘Ace’ *cough*) as you mention saving money (‘Ace’ charges ridiculous money) and limitless scams (such as an ‘Ace’ who doesn’t trade)! Emmett is educating us and Maureen is selling for Ace.
Jean – unfortunately Emmett is gravely misinformed – as a matter of fact, as he does his own due diligence you’ll find that he’s changed his tune abut Ace. Ace is a very generous soul and wants his students to succeed. Yes he’s vocal and energetic but the man can trade/instruct. The room is a blast and the people within are gracious. Don’t let “blogs” like this deter you from making possibly the best trading discovery of your career. Check out the testimonial page and read what REAL people are saying. Ace’s method is the real deal and TODAY he called the ES market target of 2047 (it actually hit 2046) down from 2095…that’s 48 POINTS!!!! in 2 days…he’s that good – check it out – Mongo
Thanks, Emmett. And no judgement either! I don’t know what happened to the original review so I thought I’d try to post it one more time. It is a bit lengthy, but I hope it helps.
I was referred to Ace Trades by a friend. I read all the reviews before (and after) enrolling in the course. The reason I signed up is because I like my stops tight and wanted a little help with my entry technique in keeping with my stops.
Here are the facts:
1. If you attended a trial version, you do not have access to the training material as do the paid members. Without it, you might think you’re getting a gist of what is happening, but don’t make the mistake of thinking you know what he’s doing. He clearly states in the trial course that he does not use indicators, Fibonacci numbers (I have for years, and sometimes the fibs line up, sometimes they don’t because he is using different criteria), and a bunch of other stuff he deems useless.
2. Yes, it is very simple – everything not necessary to make money in the markets has been essentially thrown out. Many of us would do well to follow suit.
3. You are expected to study the training material and attend the classes in order to put the material into context. It actually comes together rather quickly and within a week or two one could easily anticipate where the entries and exits are. For those who haven’t been through the course material (and are attending the trial version), the commentary may seem late, but it’s actually supporting what should already have been learned and it flows well in the room for members.
4. Every detail is explained in the course material, and the Keys/principles are repeated, as appropriate, in the daily sessions. Do NOT come to class and ask questions that are answered in the course material – it shows you haven’t done your due diligence, and there’s not much tolerance for it. On point questions for clarification are welcomed, so save your questions for class time. There is a distinction between commentary/trading time and after trading time class. Ace keeps to the task at hand and doesn’t let the conversation get too far away from current market action. If one will be observant and give it a little time, the answers become apparent. It makes us realize where we try to add stuff in (and DON’T bring it to class!). When action is slow between Keys, you will enjoy the camaraderie in the room. Everyone is helpful and respectful, and is freely sharing their results.
5. Stops are very small – targets vary according to market conditions. Recently he called a 35 pt short target (that hit) with a 1 point loss; there are many times when the completed targets far exceed the risks. Position size is covered during the business plan class time. Entries are explained in the course material. The explanations are simple and effective. I think that’s part of the problem people experience – it is so simple that it can be easily dismissed, and they think the question hasn’t been answered.
6. Most of the people who are complaining about Ace Trades haven’t actually taken the course. Traders who have signed up and done their homework, followed along in class, learned and applied, and don’t keep or add a bunch of other stuff in, should become consistently profitable traders in a relatively short period of time.
7. Defining a “short period of time” – some traders work hard up front to learn and within a few days to a week or so are coming off sim and putting on live profitable trades. While I was in the room, a trader who had been in the program for about a month made 81% of his monthly income during that particular morning session. Since, he has been reporting similar consistent profits. The average seems to be a month to six weeks, but this is about the shortest learning curve you’re going to get anywhere. Some have taken up to 6 months to unlearn years of bad habits or techniques – there is no judgement about how long it takes to make the shift to the Ace methodology. But without putting in the time to study, or making a commitment to a consistent morning routine to get into the room, it would be difficult to expect positive or timely results. The room is open daily between 7:30 and about 10:30 EST. There is no pressure to be in the room at 7:30 EST, get in when you can – but be in as early as you can. I aim for 8am EST; I’m on MST. If good trades have been taken and the market is slow, we may wind up a little early – many times we go later. Ace doesn’t try to make trades happen that don’t exist. With that said, each trader has their own internal timeline, and should stay true to themselves when going from sim to live – taking one’s OWN time is stressed by Ace. I’m certainly going at a pace compatible with my other obligations and timeframe, and I’m pretty sure it is slower than most.
8. The Keys keep it simple, and easy to remember. I personally have an index card cheat sheet that helps me follow along – after less than 2 months, it is no longer necessary, and hasn’t really been necessary since the second week. But don’t expect to learn it in a day or two and jump in like some have and then blame the system. It isn’t the system that is broken. No successful trader I know learned to trade in a day.
9. A newbie starting with Ace Trades won’t even know how lucky he/she is to not have to unlearn a bunch of useless stuff, and waste a LOT of time and money finding that out. Without a mentor – good luck! It will be like wandering around in a dry desert seeing water where it doesn’t exist. As a seasoned trader, I find it refreshing; the hardest part is throwing out the stuff I thought was important that wasn’t – and it was keeping me from entering trades. (Too much “good” information)
10. Ace Trades may seem expensive, but it’s a lot less expensive than incompatible trading systems and trial and error losses. Some traders are making up their investment in a week! The 2 top paying jobs in the U.S. are Physician (avg annual salary $165,570) and Dentist (avg annual salary $133,700), and I’m pretty sure they paid more than an Ace Trades subscription price in dollars and time to become successful. With that said, the best trading system in the world isn’t compatible for everyone; if you can’t follow rules or directions, if you need a lot of reassurance in the way of indicators and other stuff on your charts, or you aren’t trading intraday, this is not for you. For those of you who are successfully consistent traders, you may not need or want another system, but if you’re open-minded, you might learn something that could make it easier for you. One good idea is a never-ending gold mine.
11. Since I’ve been in the room from October 28th, 2015, there has not been one losing day. Many “older” members (1+ years) report they’ve never had a losing day.
12. It is abundantly clear that you are responsible for your trade decisions and you have to decide if the market conditions are right for you to take the trade. This is actually easier than it sounds if one studies and follows along/simmed for a period of time. You will also be quick to get out of one that isn’t working – you might have one or two during the session, if any, but most of the trades are for many more points in profit. He does NOT discourage scalping, contrary to one reviewer’s comment, as some market conditions lean more toward scalps, and his tight money management rules make the most of both scalps and intraday swings. If you’d like, I can report my stats in about 6 months – I am a caretaker for family members and I’ve had a recent bout of numerous interruptions. I’ve been simming to learn in between emergencies and trading live on the couple calm days I’ve had. (Up $362.50 on 3 live trades as of 12/22/15 and I’m just getting started). My learning sims have been better than anything I’ve done in the past with any system (including my own), I have doubled my sim account in the last 2 weeks, and am just now returning to live trading.
13. You can use the Ace Trades methods in any markets, at any time. You can trade the entire session if you want on your own after session commentary and class time. Most of the members have made their daily goals shortly after market open, if not before, and go on to enjoy their day. The chat room has definite hours, but if there’s a lot of action, sometimes Ace will keep it open longer. Class is held on Tuesdays and Thursdays after market commentary for members, but almost every day is like a live class. There is a daily review, which cements the Keys in. Not a day has gone by where the Keys have not been central to market action, and for me, the simplifying has gone a long way to making entry decisions painless.
14. Since I’ve been in the room, Ace has provided commentary for the ES, 6E, NQ, CL, GLD, CAD, and others I can’t remember off the top of my head. I am focusing only on ES for now, but he encourages other markets, especially when the ES is slow.
15. For some of you, Ace may come across as loud, arrogant, boastful, intolerant, egotistical, etc., etc., but to know him is to love him. He is also kind, encouraging, delivers more than expected, and shares bits about himself as appropriate, so you get a sense of who he is. To those who would take offense or judge, I would just say, don’t let the messenger get in the way of the message. If you’re serious about learning a simple and powerful trading method, stay on point with your learning, and don’t let your opinion of his personality and delivery get in the way of your making money.
16. Bottom line, the Ace Trades System works – really well.
Thanks for your input! And I am glad its working out for you. Just so you know, I have spoken to Kevin quite a few times and I keep telling him that if wants a new review, and a positive review at that…then he should start showing a DOM. Its really not asking that much.
Bravo for staying true, Emmett! That he show a DOM of actual trades that he has taken so that the success/failure of the method can be directly evaluated (rather than taking the word of sycophants/alter-egos) is a very fair requirement. Your review site is an oasis of character in a desert created by charlatans, hype-merchants, and confidence artists.
Just because you wrote an incredibly unfair negative review about a great trading system doesn’t justify anybody else having to do anything, until you correct YOUR mistake. Ace succeeds wonderfully in spite of ignorant reviewers (and I am quite sure lousy traders) such as you.
That is quite the informercial, Maureen; hopefully you get a discount or refund from “Ace”. It’s interesting how your “review”, which includes a lot of hearsay of exciting things (big money! takes from a few weeks to six months!!), touches on so many salient points from previous criticism on this very page. That “Ace” doesn’t trade isn’t excusable in the way of Sean Foley going on to coach golfers, because at least Sean played the game. If the internet was not so anonymous, I would swear that you are “Ace” trying on his feminine side.
Maureen – you wrote a great review – well done…so are you still in the room? I think I see a Maureen from time to time but perhaps you use another screen name?. Glad someone took the time to write some more truth in this room – cheers. BTW, are you still trading the method? ~ Mongo
DRAW A LINE ANYWHERE ON A CHART WHeN PRICE GOES TO IT SELL/BUY, WHEN IT GOES THRU THE LINE bY A TRADERS PROBE .75 BUY OR SELL THE OTHER DIRECTION
USE 1100 AND PRICE IS ABOVE. When PRICE touches 1100 buy with a .75 traders probe stop then when stopped sell when it touches 1100 with a TP stop. expect a lot of stops and chops but you will have a chance to catch a straight and royal flush
I never “see” you in the room anymore?
FYI, the comments from “members” in the chat room are REAL. And no, you’re not going to learn the system in 20 minutes. Depending on how much garbage you have to ditch, and how many of the Keys you want to master, and how much effort you put into it, it will take between about 2 weeks to 6 months. Please also keep in mind that many professional coaches, such as Sean Foley, never intended to play professional golf – he only coaches. Ace may not trade, but he’s a great coach. I did post a complete review, but it hasn’t appeared here yet. You can see it at futures.io under Ace Trades reviews.
No censorship here Maureen. Your review and whatever else you want to talk about is all posted.
Best wishes.
Bullseyetraders.com
Was this guy was associated with Franz Shore from Traders International
I did several market replays of his videos. If you follow his bull/bear levels he’s not that bad. You have to be quick on the trigger and use small stops – you may get stopped a few times before you find a decent trade. His levels don’t match any traditional support/resistance levels. I think he looks at price action an hour or two before the open and decides where the levels are. I wouldn’t buy the package – I think if you watch enough of his YouTubes and setup a market replay in Ninja along side any particular day, you can probably figure out what he’s doing. He does pick up runners which add to the profitability. He’s not a scammer and his system is not bogus. Just my opinion after being in the room and analyzing the YouTubes.
i have watched Ace a few times and think it has great entertainment value. a few people i help via skype asked me to take a look.
he was saying cover half or put some in the basket b4 price had moved far enough to get any profit. i did enjoy it tho
everyone on the internet charges a fortune for anything to do with trading. cant believe i do it for free.
You guys need to see VK at work with all LIVE trades executed and shared with you on the screen. Check out http://www.KongZanaTrading.com and buckle up for a life time experiance.
just watched one of his videos (my 1st Ace video)…………..LOL
after just 30sec……..i was laughing at this obvious fraud………..i thought it was a mad man talking about trading
anyone that got conned into buying his course needs to get his head checked……….you might be having a brain tumour !
Pat, you sound as uninformed as Emmett. Yes Ace is vocal and energetic but did you (or your system) make 48 points in 2 days? He called 2047 targets on ES (2 days ago from 2095) – BTW, target hit this morning @ 2046 – so it’s not perfect (lol). And no, most folks don’t have the patience to keep in a 2-day swing trade but come on…to call a 48 point target (within 1 point) is dang amazing, don’t you think? Plus you had multiple downside entries if you’re into day trading…I mean who needs 20-30 pints out of a 48 point move? Just throw those away, they ain;’t worth nothing (lol). Do yourself a favor…jump into a 3-day trial…nothing to lose and a whole lot of insight to gain. BTW, I too got con’d into taking the course …and have been a member since Nov. 15’…BEST trading decision of my life. ~ Mongo
Is Ace a fraud? maybe
Does he trade himself? probably not
Can you learn something from him? certainly, in one way or another
Is it worth 3.5 grand or even more? hmmm
i could probably teach you his method in 20 mins. tops.
It’s actually not very complicated. However, he puts a lot of smoke and mirrors around what he does to confuse the russians… err i mean potential clients.
its very obvious he does not trade at all, not even sim.
there are no stops or targets, however he will always assume the optimal outcome of any trade. so every day is a super day of course as a result 🙂
the core of it all is nothing proprietary as he wants to make you believe, its just simple SR.
And thats all i have to say.
If you’re feeling like you want to teach, please send me word at wcalder@mail.com !
Thanks for doing this work. I guess the positive testimonials and comments in the “live” trading room are bogus. (It would be easy enough to have phony commenters add their positive responses in real time.)
I guess the bottom line is that it’s probably easier to make money teaching trading than doing it, as long as you have an effective line of b.s.
I meant the 5 starts to be for your review, Emmett My mistake.
I’d rate the Ace Trading System as 1 star (and thankfully, I didn’t buy it).
can any one share a key of ACE system.
Many thanks for this review Emmett. If the guy isn’t actually trading his own personal live account in the trading room then he MUST be a real snake oil salesman and not worth a minute of anyone’s time. Gotta give him 10 out of 10 for his undoubtedly expert line of bullshit though. The man’s a real master in that respect. I was going to sign up for a free 3 day trial but no way after reading your report. I’ll save my time for more important things; of which there are many.
Hi Dan,
Can you share one or more methods of ACE system to see if it is worth trying.
Sam
Draw a line on the chart…anywhere if it goes above from below by 1 point…traders pivot..buy next time it retraces to it reverse if price is above
Thanks for the reveiw and BW’s comments. It may need a re-review though. In your time it may have been a post production, but these days it ARE live trading (I checked ) and he DOES call in advance. Im not subscribed….yet. BTW I think the circus Barker act is a hoot.
Hey if he is doing live DOM, then I would be more than willing to do another review!
“Buy side ladies and Gentlemen S&P this morning, Buy side ladies and Gentlemen”…is the heading of today’s (Aug 25th) 50 POINT haul in the S& P before NOON – holy cow ladies and gentlemen…so I busted as guy that promotes and came from another “room” and for that Ace gave me 2 extra months in the room…Should I dive in? MM
I used to go in Kingfish Steve Boyd room years ago, does anyone know where he is these days ? , it was very entertaining particularly when people got 10 point trades, I knew he went Belize but lost track of him when he went there, I am curious to know what happened to him, thanks
Kingfish dies a few years ago. His system worked if you modified it
@Davis,
I have been using VP for about 7 yrs now but I used to track vol at price using my own “short hand” method. It worked quite well but the VP tools make things so much easier and more accurate. As a scalper, speed is everything and being able to switch views quickly helps me make snap decisions. I also watch the DOM but I really dont use the Time & Sales anymore. Ever since the CME said they were going to change the way they transmitted orders by breaking up large blocks in order to save bandwidth (PPPFFFFFFFFF at that one), the T&S lost most of its value to me. Along with the fact that the Dark Pools can trade size away from the tape without it printing and we never see those transactions coupled with the iceberg orders that are now available in futures, I just rely on the volume and Price Action. They will constantly mess with the mkts so as to maintain fair and equitable markets. They only problem is that its only fair for the institutions or 7 figure account holders. (Why anyone would put 7 figures into one of these ridiculous brokerage firms is beyond me) With todays leverage, one can trade 50 ES cars and 10 CL cars, intra day, at the same time quite comfortably with a 50k account.
Areas of low volume are exactly what is sounds like. When price trades up or down to a certain price and the vertical volume histogram(VP) shows low volume at that price area/range. Its called a low vol node (LVN) high vol node (HVN). Observing how an instrument trades when it gets into or almost into those areas are quite revealing. The Price Action(PA) or way the instrument is trading(ie. whipsaw, slow grind, backfill etc etc) as price is getting closer these Nodes is another pc of the puzzles. These all add to or subtract from the O&P of a trade working or not.Bottom line is, if you have 5/6 criteria met for a trade setup, I might add more size and/or be very aggressive with my entry(usually both).
Swing lows/highs need to be put into context, as everything else I am talking about. They can be great opportunities for a nice trade setup given the context. Shorting into an uptrend isnt for the faint of heart and is worthy of wearing a diaper (think huggies) but it has its place given the right context. Ace take many of these counter trend(CT) trades in areas where it feels like your a catching a falling knife. He will use context to some degree but I feel he is more about the actual setup but thats just my take on it. Trying to learn anyone elses methods or styles requires a significant amount of self reflection and honesty. Understanding what the mkt is really trying to accomplish(long or short) just puts the O&P in your favor, not admitting that you are wrong or not in tune with the mkt dynamic takes away your edge(O&P). You might as well just give your $$ to a worthy charity instead of some greedy !@#$%^.
You can learn or try to learn about AMT everywhere but its really common just sense. you can read about AMT almost anyplace but so many make it seem like rocket science that it can become exhausting. There are a few reasonably priced places to learn about AMT but you have to be careful. Just like the Ace Room, it takes more than just the 9 Keys in order to earn a living, imo
Hope this helps
Hey BW: enjoyed your comments on Ace System Appreciate your insight. Was wondering if you would share the firms you use that provide such reasonable margins for futures trading and options clearing. TD Ameritrade wants 50K to trade a five lot.
Thanks and All The Best
DRT1
BW,
Thank you so much for your valuable response. You said areas of hi/low volume. Do you use Futures volume profile, Tape, foot print or something else to read and identify hi/low volume area or you just look at the chart without any volume related indicators? What exactly do you mean areas of low volume? Does it mean swing low or recent low? How does it appear on the chart? (I’m sorry if this is not a right place to ask these type of questions… )
Is there a way to learn more about AMT? a website, training or book?
Thank you very much again.
I’m currently finishing the last of the three day free sessions. I’m with Dan who claims to have actually put his money down and has “never been able to make the kind of money with any other system.” I set up the live trade room on the left side of my monitor and an IB chart on the right of the same contract. The trading room was NOT recorded over. It was LIVE! And while I have a problem with his calling resistance and going short for scalps in a bull market, (on June 10, 15) the scalping was profitable. Over the three days he repeatedly called exact resistance and target levels accurately BEFORE the market had gotten to them. Everything in REAL TIME. Emmett, I saw NO sign of commentary being overlaid on pre-recorded “footage”.
Hey, maybe I got it wrong! If Ace is working for you then keep up the good work. As Ace likes to say, “High Quality, High Probability Set Ups”.
Thanks for your work Emmett. And I can’t speak to the youtube videos – but that was my experience in the live room. Regarding Ace’s not trading himself: As you know successful trading is 95% psychology. And all the psychological baggage kicks in when once a person puts money on the line. So I’m not sure I want my commentator to do any actual trading. On the other hand, going public with your calls takes a special person as well. I am not currently an ACE trader but it is intriguing. Thanks again.
Hey Emmett, As a member of acetrades, I must say that you are inaccurate in your assessment in the fact that he does call levels well in advance quite often. That being said, his entries tend to change from time to time in order to fit into his 3 tick risk scenario but he always has his levels and targets. Being able to get into many of the trades is often a challenge for various reasons. The bottom line is that if you get some of his winners and some of his losers, what is the end net result? As a trader, learning a methodology is not cut and dry as personality, account size, risk tolerance and above all mental stability, if you will, all play a big part in being able to trade that method/style.
As a full time trader for 20+ years I can tell you that the ace method has a few twists on standard patterns as well as a few of his own interesting little methods.
I have been using many of them in my own trading long before I joined Ace many years ago but he has his own names for the setups and that is all well and good. I have used and continue to use a few of the setups he teaches, in conjunction with my own method of profiling which are my bread and butter trade setups.
His carnival barking is another story. The fact that he has admitted that he doesnt trade is news to me although I find it hard for him to be able to do what he does in the room while actually putting on trades but thats just my take on it.
Im not sure if this might help anyone but my best advice is to figure out what makes the mkts work. The auction mkt process (think ebay) and watch how the mkt reacts in areas of hi and low volume. Once there is a solid understanding of the odds and probabilities with that alone, adding in entry techniques is merely a personal preference based on ones guidelines for risk etc
Great comment! Ace is definitely a lovable character. Glad to read that you are getting plenty of value.
BW, thanks for your input.
You’re saying that Ace methodology will help a trader see
a solid understanding of the odds and probabilities and auction
market process(how the market reacts in areas of Hi/Low Volume)?
Sure, Ace has something positive to teach.
You should notice that I am pretty tough with all of these trading rooms. Nice reviews will never institute positive change. Tough reviews bring change. And when the vendors make changes, specifically at being more transparent, then I always try and write new reviews with a positive outlook.
Emmett, Your change of tack without elucidation surprised me. His terrible trade calls in the example video that you posted as well as those observed during my trial membership to his trading room has me wonder if ‘Ace’ understands or enacts his own system. It would certainly be interesting to see his real-time trading balance, but I won’t hold my breath for any such transparency and proof of efficacy because I think that he would be consistently net negative. Thank goodness that your review is honest – or, as you described in your later comments, ‘tough’. What would you consider to be the positive thing that ‘Ace’ has to teach?
Of all of the rooms that I have reviewed, Ace is definitely the most fun to listen too. He is colorful and entertaining. He is like a sports commentator providing fun banter and exciting play by play.
If he would put up a DOM, then I would have something to track and perform a new review. Have spoken to Ace on the telephone about this, but he wont budge. He just wants to do color commentary.
Hi Emmett,
You’ve changed quite a bit from May 11, 2015:
“But Ace is such an obvious fraud that in retrospect, we have to laugh at ourselves the loudest. For instance, he has acetrades.com, then he has acetradesreview.com, and now most recently acetrades.org. The review and the Org sites are an attempt to hide my negative review.”
to July 1, 2015:
“Sure, Ace has something positive to teach. You should notice that I am pretty tough with all of these trading rooms.”
and yesterday’s:
“Of all of the rooms that I have reviewed, Ace is definitely the most fun to listen too. He is colorful and entertaining. He is like a sports commentator providing fun banter and exciting play by play.”
When you wrote to him more than 50 times, you were ignored every time. As soon as he wanted you to remove specifics about the material he is selling for thousands of dollars, he was in immediate communication by telephone and your tone has since changed from May 11th’s disapproval to October 25th’s admiration. Would you kindly explain what has brought about this change?
Ace is not there to take you by the hand, and show you exactly what to do, where to enter the trade, etc. It is much much better than that. He is teaching you how the markets flow. He is teaching you how to fish. Ace lets the markets make money for you.
@Davis. I wrote that quickly and didnt proof it. I AM NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL. What I was trying to convey in my last paragraph is that each trader should try to figure out what makes the mkts move/tick. For me it is Auction Mkt Theory(AMT). Take ebay for example. Many yrs back my wife listed something on ebay for $45 that was worth about $65. There were a few people watching but no bidders and after 2 weeks I told her to list if for a penny and to watch AMT do its thing. She sold it for $80. She couldnt understand how that was even possible. Like it or not, the entire world is in a constant state of AMT. From the clothes you are wearing, the car u drive, your iphone, the bottled water the computer monitor you are using to read this comment. Stop reading this for a moment and just look around the room. Everything is or has been part of AMT right down to the paint on the walls. At some point all the components that make up your monitor have been bargained to death in order to get the best possible price in order to make, market and sell it to you while making the best possible net profit. THIS ISNT ROCKET SCIENCE but for some reason so many traders feel they must have the most convoluted indicators that calculate past price in all of its various forms in order to give them some type of enrtry etc. If you just observe the Price Action at areas of hi/low volume u will start to notice a pattern that happens more often than not, hence Odds and probabilities
Ace uses the term O&P in his room every day based on how often he feels his setups work vs do not work. He doesnt get into any statistical studies etc. Read up on game theory if u want a solid foundation on that stuff.
My point is simply this, when price finds an unfair hi for whatever reason, whether u agree with the price level or not (think ebay) reality sets in and people (short term traders) realize they are screwed. Great selling opportunity, right? If that price area is also one of low volume (think why wasnt anyone interested in trading/auctioning/doing business at this price level the last time it was here) you could say that the O&P are even better now for a possible short entry.
Anyway, my point was not to give a AMT lesson, it was just to say that Ace has a few techniques that may or may not work often enough to earn a living. The problem is not with the techniques but with human emotion. ie, if you KNEW FOR SURE, before you started the trading week that u were going to trade with an 80% win rate and you were going to make 100 trades for the week, would you be able to pull the trigger on the 21st trade if the first 20 trades were losers??? I doubt you would have been able to make the 11th trade without wearing an adult diaper. The point is that human emotion is the real killer when it comes to trading, among other things.
So can you make $$ with the Ace Trade techniques? That all depends (that wasnt a diaper joke) on you. As I mentioned, I had been using most several of his techniques way before I joined his room and they work for me because i do not trade with fear or greed. The rest of his techniques are nothing new they are just his own name for basic trade patterns and I dont use them just because they do not fit my trade plan.
IMO, in order to make $$ with Ace Trades, one should have a sound foundation of what really makes the mkts tick and more importantly, what makes YOU tick.
Hope that helps
It is a nice review, but does not sound like a resounding recommendation. I was on the cusp about this for a few days.
It sounds as if you are saying that I have to be good at trading before trading successfully with Kevin Kelly (ACE).
You appear to have been and still are successful at trading yet you left Kelly. If it all is about what makes me tick, or what “Ace” is providing then why leave Ace if he so valuable.
Something doesn’t feel right. Your recommendation has reserves. You appear to have some skills at making money. You hold back when speaking of Ace. You do not solidly recommend him.
Your reserve was the reason I decided not to make the investment. I think I owe you one.
Hey Emmett, I’ve never replied to any of your reviews but I will speak for ACE. I’m not even an Ace member yet but been to Ace Trading Room couple of times. My findings: Ace Trade is legitimate and live. Its live because I always placed my NT Chart beside Ace’s and traded along and like what I saw each time. Emmett, I highly disagree with you. By the way, what you didn’t say was whether or not you made any money over the 40 hr period at Ace’s Trading Room. Did you make or/lost any money?
I thought I could trust your reviews but reading your Ace review now compels my to question other reviews.
Thanks for the comment. And I certainly appreciate your opinion.
It sounds like Ace is the guy for you. And I think that is great!
For me, I prefer a trading vendor that can verify that his methods works through the verification of account statements. Ace refuses to verify that he even has a trading account, he wont trade from the charts, will not display a trading DOM, wont even publish a track record. But hey, give it a shot. Come back and let everyone know how it worked out.
Best,
Emmett
Thats pure bs he doesnt even trade.Thern some fake room member asks you if you caught that trade ,and what did you think of that. All a scam!
Good morning. I trade for a living. Predominantly es futures. As most day traders, you constantly are looking for an edge, therefore you will try new methods ( you never know which one is good).
I have visited many sites. Traded with most of these people. Categorically, all of them are bullshit.
The only one who provided a methodology that refines one’s one’s skills and enhances them, happens to be Ace Trades.
I make good money, but adapting his methods allowed me to increase my profibility by at least 25%.
Most people are looking for someone to do their trading for them. So that they can blame a loss, not on themselves, but another person’s advice.
I don’t know if you are a good trader or not, but my read is you probably are not.
Could not care less if someone used a Dom or not. That is totally irrelevant. It is all about knowledge and how to use it.
Thank you for your space.
Hi,
I’M THKNKING OF PURCHASING A 3 MONTH PACKAGE. WONDERING IF I COULD SPEAK TO YOU SOMETIME
A gold member of aces , spent 6 months in his room . Have to admitt, took awhile to understand his madness and metods of calling trades . As a trial member , u will not undestand or ever get what he teaches. It wll sound like a lot of gabage , and yes he does that for a reason. And yes it is exspensive for sure. But for those who pay and stick with him , will never see the market ( auction )the same . I agree with the post on his foul mouth , and hosring around attitude. Is not proffessional . In the end , I did not upgade to stay in his room . But I do trade everyday his methods . Have never been able to make the kind of money with any other system. In the end , its up to U! If u did not give his system a serious effort , shame on you . Ur still bouncing around room to room , and looking for the holy grail . Good luck , ur a gambler and not a serious trader . Ur a hobbiest . Big difference ! I hope this helps , Im neither for o against Ace. I just know that what he teaches is true and accurate when it comes to a auction . And it works , and works in abig way . Good luck in everyones trading !
I agree with you Dan, I as well bought in to the Ace system and spent around three months in his room I can see that his system works provided you spend so much time practicing his methodology on Sim mode…I am still doing that and getting better results but not happy with the results yet. Dan I would like to chat with you if you don’t mind, here is my email address shehubs@msn.com.
Hi ben I’m a Ace student too floridabound1@sbcglobal.net
Hi TP – Thanks for explaining the Ace method. Could you clarify?
You used a “+” sign between 1 & 2 conditions.
Is this a combined one condition for entry OR separate conditions for entries?
ie, if market trades to either of the 4 lines noted in 1, do we take the trade in the reverse direction?
Where is the head if the right shoulder is entry? Is this an independent condition, ie, the head and shoulder can be anywhere other the 4 lines mentioned in 1?
Thank you!
I purchased Ace Method. Out $3500.
Basically the system is not bad on itself but there is no real secret.
This is the ACE METHOD SYSTEM
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***Had to redact Ace Trades System Information***
Sorry readers, Ace called me and had no problem with folks complaining, but had a real problem with anyone publishing his proprietary methods. I agree.
The review should be focused on opinion.
Oh i forgot to add that if you use supply and demand from Sam Heiden ( it’s free info if you google it ) and play around with those levels using NADEX BULLSPREAD you could do very well. ( vertical option spread which is simplified with Nadex. Check it out. it is Very interesting way of limiting risk and avoiding wipesawed )
Contact me on krupeshd@yahoo.com when you get a chance. I am thinking of signing up but had a few questions.
TP, you have you my consolation for your substantial loss. I wonder if the renamed generic concepts and constructs comprising the methods in the Ace “system” can be construed as proprietary any more than the renaming a potato chip as a ‘delicate sliver of exotic pomme de terre’. If you or I tried to sue or silence someone who revealed that what we were selling as ‘delicate slivers of heavenly pomme de terre’ were actually just potato chips, we’d likely be quickly dismissed and forced to pay cort costs – but someone with deeper pockets might assemble sufficient legal representation to instill a silencing fear of loss in any would-be revealer. It’s just like the “Emperor’s New Clothes” story: declare that the emperor is actually walking around naked and be prepared for punishment from those “above” you. In my humble opinion, it is the demonstration of applying methods – not knowledge of the methods themselves – that is the valuable product of a live trading room. When learning to drive, the methods are usually well-known in advance: depress the gas pedal, depress the brake pedal, check the rear-view mirror, dim your lights, etc., but driving schools thrive because they teach the proper application of those methods that are required for successful driving. Knowing the methods of the Ace “system” should not concern its seller if he was an effective teacher of successful trading, but that does not appear to be the case. That there is no DOM on display in his room or verifiable record of his trades is quite telling.
I forgot to tell TP that if he would like to share ideas on trading Nadex spreads, I can be reached at stefandemeer@tradermail.info
I also forgot to give my thanks to Emmett for his review and numerous attempts to receive real information from “Ace”/Kevin. I gave up in my pursuit of information from “Kev” a lot sooner than you, and I observed enough of his free trial sessions to become borderline allergic to the words ‘super’ (“super tight risk”, “super accurate”, “super high probability”, etc.) and ‘folks’ (“folks, let me tell ya”, “you saw it here, folks”, “now folks, where else are you gonna find super…”, etc.). The eBay analogy mentioned by BW later in the comments section reminded me of the ‘shill commenting’ going on in the Ace Trades room. Based on the similar diction, misspelling, and horrendous grammar of several ‘room participants’, I would estimate that a double-digit percentage of them are actually Ace & Co. To think that at one time I had this room on my short-list of trading rooms to join horrifies me! Keep up the good work, Emmett, even though Google ranked you below the unbelievable – in every sense of the word – ‘acetradesreview.com’ when I searched for reviews.
TP if you’re unhappy or if you feel scamed, why not post a his methodology so that the world would know? If I truly felt scammed I would post his method to high heaven and I wouldn’t care what anyone said. In fact not doing so makes you comments appear untrue. Just saying.
Ace obviously threatened to sue TP for revealing his system.
If the system is fake, why fear a lawsuit? Just wondering.
Are you still trading with Ace trader?
There looks to be a live viewer feed down the left side of the video. This feed was put there after the fact and not watching the market live?
Yep. The video is pure smoke and mirrors.
Thank you for such a thorough investigation. His barking is rather contagious and P.T.
Barnum was correct.
Thank you for such a thorough investigation. The barking is rather contagious and P.T
Barnum was correct.
Comments from 11 years ago still ring true …
http://www.investmentbanter.com/showthread.php?t=12731
“Ace is a student of Kingfish and generally follows the Kingfish KISS
method.”
“I followed his room for a couple days and it seemed he did a little what I
call retro trading, he would say I am out of my long position here it is not
working, then the market would go up 5 points and he would say ok selling my
long positing now for a nice 5 point profit… I was always thinking why
didn’t he say anything about getting back into that trade…. but I only
looked at the room for a couple days like I said.. maybe if you were there
longer then it would make more sense how you could sell a position you
didn’t have.”
” “Retro trading” — a good term for this. Ace isn’t the only one to do
this, other signal providers have adopted this method, as well.
SP500Guru.com does the same thing — suddently he is claiming a 5
point winner but you never saw his entry call. When you ask him about
it he just ignores your question.”
sp500guru is a fraud? Do you have much experience with that guy? I
went into his room a few times and liked what I saw. Anyone or any
system you are currently using for futures trading? I got hammered
today and am really feeling down.
Will have the SP500 guru review out in a few days. Nothing big to report. The guy isn’t out to scam anyone, but he needs to improve the user experience.
Yes he did the exact thing during my free trial. Would say I am staying out for now . Then at the days recap when it went up call it as a win.
Ace seems to be a student of the (in)famous “Kingfish” (aka Steven Boyd). Kingfish had to hightail it out of the States to Belize, where he continued to run his scam for awhile before vanishing completely. If someone Googles “Kingfish Steven Boyd”, they can get some info on how he operated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8xSPzeTlIA
LOL. This sounds exactly like what Ace is selling.
Picture William H. Macy’s character from Fargo, Jerry Lundegaard, getting out of jail and becoming an auctioneer …. that is Ace from Ace Trades.
The guy is basically a clown, but it’s mildly entertaining if you keep in mind it’s all crap that he’s spewing.
“Who’s on bears, guys, who’s on bears?”
LOL!!! Let me know when you are want to start writing. Everyday, I have new material. Of course, the pay isnt much. The blog currently earns about one dollar a day.
I got sucked in too. Shall we file class action lawsuit?
I know it sucks. Big time. But Ace is such an obvious fraud that in retrospect, we have to laugh at ourselves the loudest. For instance, he has acetrades.com, then he has acetradesreview.com, and now most recently acetrades.org. The review and the Org sites are an attempt to hide my negative review.
I watched AceTrades / Emmet this week. very entertaining. Next time I will look and listen for the things you pointed out.
Tried the trial a few time. Cannot duplicate his trades. Does not call stops or trade management. He draws a line anywhere on a chart and if price goes above it by a point…ie floor traders pivot he trades that direction. Cannot prove his results.
The guy name is Kevin Kelly from Canada runs AceTrades. I went first time today(15th oct 2005) for 3 day trial. I entered room around EST 8:00am since then hearing /CLX5 or crude oil is on the bull side. and lot of blabbering sometimes cold advise to members also. news break at 8:30am still he was screaming /clX5 on the bull side stay long. The price shot upto $46.30 may be few cents up. and roll down .50ticks i.e 45.81. /CLX5 heading lower low you call it bull side ? I am talking about now 9:15am still /CLX5 going down. you decide now will you confidently trade on Kevin’s command ? I could have lost in one contract $500.00 . Trading is not a slam dunk folks. It needs long time to built skills with correct methodology. Focus on Price action trading and learn and practice eventually you will make money like others. There is no easy drive thru fast food solution for trading futures/forex. I just published today’s incident which I experienced in Kevin’s chat room as a heads up for someone willing to sign up . By the way AceTrades doesn’t trade but he lectures how to trade. Isn’t it a joke teaching how to cure patient but not a doctor. Imagine there are lot of people sucked in like others. Good luck.
Filing a lawsuit against this character ace would definitely shed light on other unsuspecting member who doesn’t know what this guy is up to he’s equivalent to a Bernie mad off and has to be stopped and will be