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Summary
In my opinion, 12TradePro.Com is a hyped up, piece of crap trading room. Absolutely zero transparency. Over two weeks of live recordings prove layer upon layer of deceptive marketing and inflated performance metrics. Owner of company refuses to show even one single day of live trading statements that verify wild claims of success. Raleigh, an employee creates wildly outrageous trading videos using market replay, with what I witnessed are zero losing trading days. A complete and total shit show of nonsense and ridiculous marketing. Owner of company refused to use The Robot, which would of verified trading performance, yet he chooses to continue with deceptive and outright dishonest advertising. Absolutely avoid this company unless owner of company shows verifiable account statements that legitimize performance, or vendor begins building a real time track record using The Robot.
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( votes)Thanks for reading today’s review of 12TradePro.Com
What is 12TradePro.Com? The company is owned and operated by a person named, “Sam”. He refused to give his last name for this interview. The website has been in existence since January, 2013, as per Archive.Org. The company maintains a web address at 12TradePro.Com, however the company currently prefers the name “Best Pro Trade”.
Why does the company currently prefer the name “Best Pro Trade”? This is a very good question. A bit of research revealed that 12TradePro.Com is currently sitting on a private server with an IP address of 162.144.40.137. Using my industrial grade snooping tools, I discovered that the following domain name URL’s are also housed on the same IP address. Those websites are as follows:
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As you can see, we have quite the marketer on our hands. But having a massive list of domain name registrations, coupled with a person that refuses to be identified certainly does not mean that we are dealing with yet another trading guru/scammer. However, in my own experiences in writing these reviews, it is hardly ever a good sign when a vendor refuses to attach his identity, as well as maintains a warren of rabbit dens (domain names) that he can quickly retreat too. Anyway, lets continue with the product offering and then move deeper into discovery.
The products for sale
A one week trial of indicators for $500.
A financing plan that includes an indicator package for one single computer at $1,250 up front fee, plus $250 per month for 18 months, a grand total of $5,750.
A financing plan for two computers at $1,545 up front fee, plus $350 per month for 20 months, a grand total of $8,545.
Or, a one time purchase price for a single trading computer at $4,995. If a person would like to install the software on two computers, then the price is $6,995.
In addition to these products and payment plans, the company is also is offering a mixed bag of indicators and auto trading methods priced from as $995 up to $3,495.
As you can read, this a pretty wide range of trading products for sale at 12TradePro.Com. In fact, I found the offering quite confusing and a bit disorganized. However, the main selling thrust for the company is the single computer plan at $4,995 or the monthly installments plan. Please keep in mind that the installment plan is contractual, so you will be auto billed as per the contract and this cannot be cancelled.
The live trading room
In total, I recorded two weeks of live trading sessions and interacted with “Sam” and a person named Raleigh. Once again, I was not able to entice either to reveal their true identities, however through the use of industrial grade snooping tools, I was able to identify both subjects real names and physical addresses. However, since both wish to remain anonymous and by releasing their identities could violate state privacy laws, as well as endanger family members, I have decided to keep this information private.
Before I give the results of the two weeks inside of the live trading room, it is important to note that the company is very active on YouTube and maintains a very large library of “Live Trading” videos that act as marketing fodder. What do I mean by marketing fodder? The YouTube videos are a combination of fast replay of the prior days market actions, with an overlay of the systems supposedly performing in real time. There are also several trading videos that also purport to show live trading, but are nothing more than a market replay with a simulator overlay. The net effect is that it appears live trading is happening in real time, however, this is nothing more than a clever display of hindsight trading. Case in point, the following video was published on March 18, 2016 at 7 AM, PST. However, the video purports to show a series of trades that was supposedly executed live at beginning 11:33 AM on March 17, 2016.
This video in question is simply, and nothing more than a clever ruse. A cheap card trick. A slight of hand, meant to entice the greedy eye and the sloppy hand. All of this is pure chicanery, it is only hindsight trading where Raleigh has simply recorded the prior day’s trading session and simply knows the how the market plays out. During this nine minute video, he executes winning trade after winning trade for a profit of over $1,000 and zero losers. At no time during this video does Raleigh declare whether these trade are real or simulated, at no time does Raleigh show nor mention mandated CFTC disclosures. A clear violation. On several occasions, we emailed directly to Raleigh asking for proof of live trading, using differing names and email addresses. however he simply refuses to verify the legitimacy of his amazing trading videos. Of course, the aforementioned video is only a single example, I challenge any reader to go through any of the massive amount of video’s that Raleigh has published and to find EVEN A SINGLE LOSING TRADE. Honestly, I was shocked at the audacity of this person, not ever a single losing trade.
During the last week of February, and continuing into the first week of March, we recorded the live trading room. We attempted to replicate the trades of the moderator, who is primarily the person named “Sam”. It is important to note that “Sam” records the live trading session and replays the session with a live updated table that shows the performance of the trading systems in action. However, the results the “Sam” is displaying on his recorded trading videos are not even close to the results that we were able to achieve by following “Sam” as he moderated the trading room. The first inconsistency is that “Sam” always gets his fill price, no matter what, using a limit order. This was a huge red flag. In real trading, a person does not simply enter and exit on a limit order, with no time delay. The newbie trader that Sam is marketing his products do not know or understand this hard market reality. They learn this only after they fund their trading account and discover that getting a limit order filled with real money can be very difficult. However, in watching Sam execute these orders with no time delays and perfect profit exits was a huge flag that this was not real trading.
The second major concern is that “Sam” does not take the advice of his own trading systems. For instance, on one occasion the system entered long and Sam told everyone in the trading room to exit the trade. For some reason, he did not feel right about the trade, or it was not in a time range that he liked. However, the system continued to meander in a profitable direction and turned out to be a huge winner. But “Sam” never removed the system from the public facing trading results screen, he just let it continue to show impressive results. Some time later he declares how amazing the system performed on this particular trade, that we recorded as false. That’s the great thing about Camtasia screen recording software, we record everything. However, with “Sam”, when he creates his YouTube video’s for marketing purposes, he never mentioned that this trade and many others are simply bogus. Was this an isolated incident? Absolutely not! In fact, much of this “Sam” character reminds me of the exact same marketing tactics that are being employed by the wonderful and amazing Joseph James of SchoolOfTrade.Com.
Over a three week period, I recorded a bevy of very damning video evidence. But before I got down to the nitty-gritty of writing about this massive waste of time, I needed to reach out to Sam and Raleigh and give them every possible avenue to avoid this negative review. With evidence in hand, I proceeded to introduce my real self as Emmett Moore with TradingSchools.Org and that I would be writing a review of the trading service. I told them plainly and clearly that I had been recording every single happening for the prior two weeks, and that I had a laundry list of issues that we needed to talk about. But instead of going back and forth via email, I really wanted to speak with the owner of the company, “Sam”. And I wanted to speak with “Sam” over the telephone.
Speaking with Sam over the telephone
With call recorder turned on, I proceeded to ask Sam a series of very direct questions. The first thing I wanted to know is whether Sam is actually trading with a live trading account. Like a coach roach attempting to scurry away from a drunken boot heel, “Sam” went into full evasion mode. His reply was, “I have many trading accounts, with many different brokerages, and many different balances, trading many different ways, I could not possibly show you this information”. My reply was succinct, that I was not looking for very much proof at all. I am only looking to verify only a single day of live trading. Just a single solitary day of his own choosing. Only a single redacted trading statement that shows any trading whatsoever. At this point, “Sam” started to become combative and argumentative. He refused to budge even one inch. I explained that he is asking for people to send him thousands of dollars to learn how to day trade and that people are investing their future in his supposed ability to offer a profitable product, and that the least he could do is show me only a single day of real trading results. “NO, I will not show even one single day of real trading results”.
Next, I began to list the inconsistencies in the recordings with what he was showing in his live trading videos. I was very clear in informing “Sam” that my audience was going to know all about these blaring inconsistencies and omissions, and that a bell cannot be unrung. He needed to provide a best explanation now, before the review was published. Finally, he came clean and admitted that he was only providing interpretive guidance inside of the live trading room. That the live trading room is not really a live trading room, he replied “its more of an educational experience”. Truthfully, I hate these telephone calls because its always awkward. They always start off cordial and friendly, but when I start asking sensitive questions and speak plainly about inconsistencies…its amazing how the person quickly turns from a gentle puppy into a vicious old guard dog. I would not call Sam a vicious old dog, but as the conversation turned more finely tuned, he Arabic accent become more pronounced and he became extremely defensive. In my opinion, most people that purchase trading products are too cordial and are perhaps afraid or too meek to ask the tough, biting questions about transparency and verifiable performance. I consider myself fearless in this respect. I always relentlessly hunt for the truth. Digging deeply into the soft area that is sensitive, the place where secrets are kept. Sam wanted me nowhere near this place. Press “Sam” about his personal trading performance and he becomes quickly agitated, loud, angry, defensive.
How about “The Robot”?
In speaking with “Sam”, it was obvious that he had no real time trading performance that could be independently verified. He could show nothing that substantiates his claims of profitability, other than selling his magic trading software on promises, hopes and dreams. Furthermore, Raleigh could show no proof of actual trading. Normally, I write my article and expose the vendor. However, I have recently added one new quiver to my arsenal, The Robot.
I explained to “Sam” that The Robot is my latch ditch effort to help “Sam” avoid a negative review. That if he would deploy The Robot, then I would not write a negative review and that the review would be based upon actual, forward trading performance. That the Robot was only to help him establish credibility among his peers and that it would be a huge marketing windfall, that he would be one of only a few select vendors that are committed to transparency in performance.
Sadly, and regrettably, “Sam” has flat refused the Robot. He could give no reason why he refused, other than to say that he was “just an educational provider”. Apparently, “Sam” feels that its OK for people to send him thousands of dollars for an unproven and unauthenticated trading product. And he feels its OK to publish deceptive trading videos of Raleigh, with no proof that Raleigh can trade profitably.
Wrapping Things Up
This is a sad business. In my many years of committing fraud in the 1990’s, I never thought about the welfare of my target. I simply stole their money. I gave them promises of riches, promises that if they bought my bogus investment that they would experience true freedom. They would buy my crap, and then they would hold onto that hope that the payday was just around the corner. And this is the core problem with most of these trading vendors, they are just selling a load of hope. That if the target only employ the magic trading system, and push their hard earned savings towards that next trade, then they are closer to financial freedom. People like “Sam” and Raleigh are not willing to show that they are willing to eat their own cooking, instead selling the dream to the desperate and naive. Oblivious to the financial wreckage that they may spread, unwilling to be transparent about themselves.
Do companies like Ninja Trader care? Not a bit. They continue to market these trading educators through the fraud filled cesspool known as the Ninja Trader Ecosystem. They offer “free trading webinars” that perpetuate the fraud further, harming more people down the line. Does Ninja Trader vet any of these supposed trading educational providers? Not a bit. Ninja is a shameful, irresponsible, and wreckless company for allowing the ecosystem fraud to perpetuate. A company that was truly built upon a foundation of fraudulent trading educators. One rotten entity feeding the other rotten entity. A symbiotic relationship that perpetuates nothing good.
That’s it for now. Another crappy trading vendor that is unwilling to prove even one morsel of trading success with a live trading account. Was also given an opportunity to use “The Robot” for free, which would give the audience a true measure or success or failure. Yet they flatly refuse, afraid of the truth that it will surely be revealed.
Have a great day and do not pout because I actually have a positive review coming out shortly. A bit of sunshine will peak through the clouds. Don’t forget to leave your comments below. Even the haters will find that their voices are heard.
Oh, and “Sam” when you read this…you got the review you deserved. I gave you every opportunity to avoid this nasty article, but you flat refused the opportunity to use the Robot, which would of made this review a mute point. Perhaps, after this review begins to negatively effect your business, and Google ranks it page one, then perhaps you will have a change of heart. Many others like yourself have not taken the reviews from TradingSchools.Org seriously, and have suffered. Many are now willing to now be transparent, like Dave Adams, whom was one of my biggest and nastiest critics. So, we can still come together and make peace. But the audience needs transparency in performance, I can provide this for you. And a new review is waiting to be written.
Winner!
Wow! Lots of hate here. I have been dealing with Sam for several months now and his level of support is great. I will be trading a live account in the new year and I will be happy to post my real results. I watch his videos every day and the guy doesn’t hide anything. Sure, his English is a little broken and he is 60 so his patience does wear thin lol, but I am judging him on his product and after a few months of due diligence, I’m here to say it works.
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can you please tell me how you doing with his system, is he a scam? do you have real performance results to show or what he claims?
http://tradingschools.info/2015/08/05/a-review-of-emmett-moore/
Another Trump University scammer…really, really scammer
I know lots has been said about Sam’s system. I did purchase his autotraders. In no am I affiliated with Sam or his team but though I would share my experience. My experience has been wonderful so far. While yes I do wish there was manual to explain the autotrader setup, Sam has responded to every question and has been with me on the computer multiple times help me set up different parameters. The autotrader works. NO you will not win every single day on every market, but that is trading. The losses are very limited with the autotrader. Another trader and I both have his software and have independently been sharing results without Sam’s knowledge to see if the system works. This trader and I both purchased another autotrader from trading123, but quickly realized it wasn’t a great system.
The thing I learned was patience. You have to see results over time with a system and not just one day. While I do think his videos pick the very best autotrading days for marketing purposes, it is very reasonable to lower exceptions and expect reasonable gains over time. Sam has actually stopped me from getting too aggressive and trying to be greedy with the autotrader. Don’t expect just to turn it on and rake in the dough, you have to actively watch it and adjust settings.
If this guy was truly a scam he would’ve left me in the wind by now, which is not the case.
There are also many amazing videos that Sam has put together on using the autotraders via his membership page which has proved very helpful.
When I was looking for a good support resistance indicator i ran into the BPT zone indicator. I saw the introduction on You Tube and liked what i saw. And that for only $ 35,– a month, where other vendors charge thousands of dollars for comparable tools. So i decided to go for it, and I must admit, the tool is good and valuable for my trading system. Kudos Sam! The funny part of all this is, that when i started talking to Sam we discovered we are both DAX traders, and we began to exchange ideas, screenshots. etc.The last couple of weeks we traded several times together, and the only thing i can say is that the man knows what he is talking about, and he knows what he is doing! For me he is a good and profesional trader and in my opinion he deserves credits for what he is doing!!
Emmett do you trade for a living? Are you profitable? I have been using the software for about 2 years now, it is some of the best software I have used. You have to know how to trade, and you have to understand how the market works as well. The market is a different animal today, mostly because you cant fight the fed. Been trading for about 15 years, I use sams software, but you have to have a feel for the market. The market is different as it is not allowed to find its normal price discovery. When you find something that works and you can be profitable trading it let me know. I use part of best pro trade, what fits my style. I have lost a lot of money figuring this out not to mention all the screen time. I still have loosing days, I know sam does too. It is good software if you have a feeling for the market. When you find something that works that don’t require much effort. I want to hear from you. Thanks Dennis in Florida
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Sam. The worst of the worst. Horrific experience. I too made a claim with Paypal. Sam is nasty. Nearly laughs at you after purchase after initial set-up, he is gone and just blames you–stating if you lose it is not his fault. His videos are a scam on youtube and his website. Just a fraud. I agree: why is that Ninjatrader cannot reign this in. Another one close behind good old Sam is the surfing dude from Hawaii: Bluewavetrading. Another switch and baiter: using youtube and scamming individuals into buying his algo trader. He promises to teach you and once it is set-up, he constantly changes his charts/parameters/and never shares the actual ninjatrader parameters. You are left to figure it out all on your own.
I so so so wish that I had this website before starting my trading journey, especially with futures and algo trading a few years back. I started using algorithmic trading.com (formerly my stocktradingbiz.com)–which you have reviewed and active discussion ongoing. I will save my thoughts and reviews using them–which I still am for another time. I enjoyed tremendous success initially: growing my 50,000-100,000 account to nearly 600,000 in 6-9 months. Incredible–this is with Tradestation. I was too greedy and with huge gains: I increased wildly my contract sizes–until I suffered a significant drawn down for a few months in a row. I learned some hard lessons and I am grateful to learn early on. I never gave up on them and still use algo’s to trade with the FoxGroup. I am no longer can manipulate the trades and again, I will detail and monitor my experience ongoing.
However, with the massive run up in equity and a huge drawn down: and loss, I branched out to discover other auto trading systems. I wanted to learn more about algo trading: and I wanted to try and attempt to have 3-4 different type of algo trading strategies that would allow/create a ‘diversified’ algo/alternative investment to balance each others weakness out–in both bear/bull markets.
I have tried many, purchased numerous auto trading systems: mostly working with Ninjatrader and Tradestation. I will state I have the means and equity to put $$ into investigating these trading systems: I am almost took on this passion to try these out live and develop monitoring/website trading transparency to put these scammers out of business: I have been burned, lost lots of $$, and I so love what you are trying to do.
Sam–this dude is the worst of the worst. A huge pile of trash. He is a horrible person. He is a troll. No transparency at all. Terrible to get a hold of. I bought his auto-traders and they are bunch of trash. The algo’s and parameters are challenging to manage. Stay away!!
I have also used/payed for RightLine Trading, AdvancedCommodityTrading.Net, FractalAlerts (another major scam–horrible), and BlueWaveTrading, TrademastersUSA.
You really should reach out and look at Bluewavetrading (shows some potential, he is all over youtube and basically scams you into believing with huge profit potential: however, once you sign up you never get the actual parameters: his youtube videos and screenshots are constantly changing. He basically runs his algos on multiple Ninjatrading platforms and cherry picks the best days/algo’s).
It would be fun for you to reach out to TrademastersUSA as well.
Again–I plan on being very active with your website and hopefully can help provide insight to take take down and provide transparency to all these horrible trolls. I wish you the best of luck. I would keep doing what you are doing: attempting to make your website the Tripadvisor of retail investing: transparency, hopefully you can have success to elevate this as the first place you’d ever go to before ever paying 1 dime to anyone offering trading advice. I cannot believe there are no other sites such as this: (or you have to pay to get the reviews).
totally agree 100%
Absolutely nothing to recommend
bad experience
Now, how can an arab bear the name Sam Russ ? I am missing something here
His name is Sam Russ who has a residence in Texas and lives somewhere in Europe. This scum bag piece of dog shit scammed me out of 2k for his worthless robot. His is a typical sim101 trader who never shows real results. When I put a claim in with PayPal they didn’t even want to hear what I had to say and ruled in this assholes favor. He must give them so much business that they would never rule in a customers favor.
I used the software for a few weeks trading in sim and not once was it ever up every single trade was a loss. Don’t invest in this garbage or be fooled into thinking you will make money with this – one has a better chance of flipping a coin then to buy this snake oil hig wash. The indicators he uses are garbage mainly all free from different sites. Make sure you stay far far away from this scam artist. He is a joke and ninjatrader should be ashamed to have a vendor in this capacity selling useless junk. My 4 year could trade better then shuthead Sam Russ!!!
12tradepro/besttradeprois a poor example of site. it’s clunky and there are grammatical errors all over written by someone with esl. A lot of other sites reviewed here on ts.org have far slicker “professional” looking sites where they obviously spent more marketing on and many have upgraded to “web2.0” standards. Interestingly, the SEC has started to do some “public service warning” ads i.e. like the ad-council issues awareness ads you hear on radio and pbs. The feds must be watching ts.org; good job Emmett! http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-sec-advertising-campaign-0313-biz-20160311-story.html
Once upon a time, I used to think how evil all the fraudsters were in these trading sites. Then I talked to quite a few of their target market. We can bad mouth the scammers all we want, but they’re not targeting people with common sense and patience. Their target is simple, lazy people that are greedy. They aren’t asking you to struggle and work hard to learn something. They’re offering the easy quick fix where you cut all the corners and get rich quickly by paying them so little. Seriously, common sense will quickly tell you I”m not going to sell you something that will make you 10% per week or per month for a few hundred or a few thousand.
If you’ve been had in the past, time to own up to it. Did you lose money? sure. However, you didn’t lose money because the obvious scam guy was so evil and its all his fault. You lost money because you were being lazy and greedy. They preyed on your greed and you got caught. They got me for small amounts of money once or twice a long time ago.
I’m not excusing their side, but these sites are hardly that professional. This is not a true professional con artist walking into your house and fooling you to your face. Most of these websites look like a flat out joke. They won’t give you real information, but want thousands of dollars up front. Should they go to jail or have everything taken away from them? Absolutely, I don’t excuse their frauds and scams at all. I just don’t feel as sorry as most do for the people that get taken. It’s like the big banks did all the scamming in housing. They nicknamed them “liar loans” for a reason. The customers were more than willing to sign on to the lies, but then they wanted to be the victim as well. Just that extra greed. I want the money, but then when I get caught please feel sorry for me. Most of them knew they were claiming things that were flat out untrue, and some had houses in their pets names. Somewhere you have to draw the line, and say the buyer was also guilty of just being flat out greedy and unrealistic.
I’m not belittling people that fell for something like Madoff or the many other real schemes. I mean Madoff had things like CPAs saying he was good. Those aren’t the peoples fault. This crap on the internet we’re all annoyed with is honestly just pre-school level compared to real professionals. Most of it so obvious it is scary just how many walk right into it. It isn’t like these people are claiming to be working for some respected name on Wall Street. The aren’t even using big names to back up their claims. Some like Fous are telling you college is a joke and he is basically stupid, but hey his dumbass can make you rich. I really love the “high school genius” who figured it out on his phone in class, and now people are honestly sending him money. At least verify they some real experience.
Hey, I can show you how to flip houses for $25,000 profit each in just 6 to 8 weeks. If you send me $999, I’ll send you a detailed book and dvd on how you can do it too.
Seriously, does that sound reasonable at all? It isn’t just trading. That is flat out preying on your lazy, greedy nature. Pay me virtually nothing to make thousands. I mean feel free to send me $999. I’ll even mail you some crap. If you just want to throw away money, I’m happy to take it off your hands, but the only thing I know about flipping a house is the crap I’ve watched on HGTV. Stupid shows got me addicted, though they’re basically all fake.
I agree mostly. However, there are a ton of people that are more than willing to work hard and take the risks. My job as a writer and reviewer is to sort through all the crap and find a few decent providers.
Thanks for the really well thought out response.
I believe that there are two types of trades; those that just want signals for whatever reason (usually they are working professionals) and those that truly want to learn. The fact that I can pack nearly 100 traders in a trading room on a Sunday night shows that there are many that want to learn.
As I have mentioned to Emmett I believe that many of these scoundrels realize that 90% of traders will blow up their account and they feel obligated to take as much as what is left before they do.
There are many traders that do want to learn that do get sucked into these scams. Think about that guy that wrote the Dummies book and runs a scam. Trader reads the Dummies book. Obviously that is a trader that wants to learn. Then joins his scam. Great marketing strategy. Just absolutely 100% what I am against.
Lloyd
Thanks Emmett for exposing another scam. I was having withdrawal symptoms since it was a few weeks since you last exposed another scumbag. I guess the robot is taking up a lot of your time.
Btw… Sending you a request to try the robot.
Keep up the good work.
Lloyd
yep another pos . it just keeps getting better and better. thanks for the review
I could not stop laughing when I read you asking for a brokerage statement just showing one crummy day of profitable trading. I have been critical that you only ask for 3 months, now your down to 1 day and still can not get it. My prediction the next review you will ask for proof of just 1 hour of real trading and you will not be able to even get that, LOL. I am actual laughing as I write this. I guess that is my sense of humor.
I have a real life story and just one question. When I was a young-in a long time ago I took piano lessons and the music teacher gave out these stars and to even earn 1 crummy star I have to play my first piece of music correctly. My question is what the hell did these guys do to even earn 1 star? Maybe they should get 5 stars as one of the best scammers around. Yes, Yes I know I have been watching to much Trump and I am too harsh.
When I went to school you got at least 1 mark for writing your name correctly on the top of the exam. I only knew of one kid who got a zero. You had to be pretty good at being bad to do that and I guess the same goes for these fraudsters that Emmett reviews.
Heck, according to Emmett they would not even give out there name. So no star for even that. LOL
I wonder if they blurted out they were called “Sam” when asked for a name because they had checked out the comments of this site as a means of throwing out a red herring. Maybe the next fraudster who doesn’t want to give out a name will say they are called “Rob” or “Stray” by first name only.
I detest these frauds…I hope they rot in hell!!!
Hope he gets what he deserves.
Good thorough review Emmett. I’m glad you pointed out also about the NT “ecosystem” which now seems to be the ecology of scam predators fleecing hapless new retailers. It seems like they have a “larry king” like filtering policy where only the most egregious of tradeducators like schooloftrade are excluded. It also seems like 12tradepro is selling semi-automated system and that is a significant specialty of the retail vendor industry apart from just indicators for manual trading. Another fine job finding a marketer web of a bunch of domain names. Don’t know if it’s worth bothering with now, but Mark Deaton is a legacy scam vendor with a bunch of sites also. The bull taking a dump was disgusting but relevant enough I suppose, as the review addresses another dump of a retailer product. I guess it ignored the “virtnext” infraction sign! I still have a laugh when I see the “meh” kitten.
Kudos and Kudos Emmett. I only wish you could monetize the reviews you put here because they are worth Gold, especially to those new to trading and hoping to get rich quick with very little risk. Reading the above review, it’s pretty clear that you gave “Sam” ample opportunity to prove his trading acumen. There are so many “obvious” signs of his fraudulent activity, from his using only first name to refusing the Robot. Here’s hoping that more and more new traders read your reviews and realize how difficult it is to be consistently profitable trading, how few have really mastered it, — and this will not make many people happy — how few who have mastered it are willing to sell it.
But these marketing folks, wow, they should get a real job in real products because they seem really good at it. Maybe, instead of marketing trading, they could work for Maserati or Hawaiian Vacations or maybe an escort service with real live attractive models. I bet they could make a fortune doing that and there’d be no fraudulent activity since there’d be “real” products.